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Air carrier flight crew reported that the ILS critical area hold sign for runway 13R at dal was located in a position which caused confusion and a runway incursion.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1429806 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201703 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | DAL.Airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 175 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying First Officer |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 142 Flight Crew Type 8000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
We were cleared to taxi out to runway 13R; cleared to cross runway 18 and hold short of the ILS critical area. As soon as we crossed runway 18 my first officer (first officer) asked me if that was the sign. I said I didn't think so because it was so far away and I'd never seen a sign that far away. I told him I thought it was for runway 18. As it turns out I was wrong and my first officer was right.I find it a little frustrating that the ILS critical hold short areas are not on the 10-9 page.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air Carrier flight crew reported that the ILS Critical Area hold sign for runway 13R at DAL was located in a position which caused confusion and a runway incursion.
Narrative: We were cleared to taxi out to Runway 13R; cleared to cross Runway 18 and hold short of the ILS critical area. As soon as we crossed Runway 18 my First Officer (FO) asked me if that was the sign. I said I didn't think so because it was so far away and I'd never seen a sign that far away. I told him I thought it was for Runway 18. As it turns out I was wrong and my FO was right.I find it a little frustrating that the ILS critical hold short areas are not on the 10-9 page.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.