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Attributes | |
ACN | 1430051 |
Time | |
Date | 201703 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | C90.TRACON |
State Reference | IL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Citationjet (C525/C526) - CJ I / II / III / IV |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Stationair/Turbo Stationair 6 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Departure Instructor |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (mon) 6 Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 3 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Single Pilot Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Commercial |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 120 Flight Crew Total 5200 Flight Crew Type 4000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 3000 Vertical 300 |
Narrative:
I was the on-the-job training instructor (ojti) during this session. A C206 was southwest of ZZZ operating VFR at 8;500 and outside of the ord class B airspace. They wanted to descend because they were fighting nearly 90 knots (reported winds 298 at 89 at 6;000) of headwind. They were advised that they were outside class B and could descend and navigate at their discretion.a C525 was a ZZZ IFR departure. I mentioned to the 1S controller that the C206 was descending and to watch out. The C525 was handed off to us climbing to 6;000 as coordinated. My trainee continued the climb to 10;000 and issued traffic with the C206. There was no reply on the traffic call; and then my trainee issued a left turn to 180 to go behind the C206.the C206 descended far faster than either of us had anticipated with very little forward movement; approximately 40 knots ground speed. By the time the C525 replied; the pilot stated 'that was way too close for comfort;' and the C206 even keyed up and agreed. I asked both pilots; but neither said they got a TCAS RA.I had prompted my trainee to allow the C206 to navigate at their discretion since they were well outside of the class B airspace. However; we didn't issue any control instructions to avoid this situation. I don't believe any legal separation was lost; but I feel it was poor performance on my own part.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C90 Controller and one of the two pilots involved reported an airborne conflict in C90 airspace.
Narrative: I was the On-the-Job Training Instructor (OJTI) during this session. A C206 was southwest of ZZZ operating VFR at 8;500 and outside of the ORD Class B airspace. They wanted to descend because they were fighting nearly 90 knots (reported winds 298 at 89 at 6;000) of headwind. They were advised that they were outside Class B and could descend and navigate at their discretion.A C525 was a ZZZ IFR departure. I mentioned to the 1S Controller that the C206 was descending and to watch out. The C525 was handed off to us climbing to 6;000 as coordinated. My trainee continued the climb to 10;000 and issued traffic with the C206. There was no reply on the traffic call; and then my trainee issued a left turn to 180 to go behind the C206.The C206 descended far faster than either of us had anticipated with very little forward movement; approximately 40 knots ground speed. By the time the C525 replied; the pilot stated 'That was way too close for comfort;' and the C206 even keyed up and agreed. I asked both pilots; but neither said they got a TCAS RA.I had prompted my trainee to allow the C206 to navigate at their discretion since they were well outside of the Class B airspace. However; we didn't issue any control instructions to avoid this situation. I don't believe any legal separation was lost; but I feel it was poor performance on my own part.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.