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Attributes | |
ACN | 1436405 |
Time | |
Date | 201704 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZLA.ARTCC |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR ANJLL 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 8.5 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Security |
Narrative:
The exact same thing happened with this aircraft; only on a different arrival. Aircraft was landing lax. Level at FL240. Tonight; the altitude restriction busted was glesn; which is charted 240b300. Aircraft was level at FL240; was issued the descend via instructions; and immediately started to descend for the 2nd altitude constraint. While I have not yet spoken to the PIC of this flight; the situation is exactly the same as referenced above; and as I found out last night; is a known issue with airbus aircraft. Descend via/climb via arrivals have been around for ages. We had the civet profile arrival 15-20 years ago. This is nothing new; which is why I am completely and utterly shocked that this issue has not been brought up before; and has not been resolved. While the two events I have witnessed (in less than 24 hours; mind you) have not caused specific safety issues; in relation to smashing into other aircraft or airspace; the possibility of this happening is very real. This is a major safety concern; as far as I'm concerned; and needs to be resolved before something bad happens.1) disallow these airbus aircraft from flying in the NAS.2) since I know #1 isn't going to happen; have them fix their airplane so this doesn't occur over and over again. This is not acceptable.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZLA Controller and the A320 flight crew involved reported problems associated with the Airbus computer that does not comply with descend via clearances correctly.
Narrative: The exact same thing happened with this aircraft; only on a different arrival. Aircraft was landing LAX. Level at FL240. Tonight; the altitude restriction busted was GLESN; which is charted 240B300. Aircraft was level at FL240; was issued the descend via instructions; and immediately started to descend for the 2nd altitude constraint. While I have not yet spoken to the PIC of this flight; the situation is exactly the same as referenced above; and as I found out last night; is a known issue with Airbus aircraft. Descend via/Climb via arrivals have been around for ages. We had the CIVET profile arrival 15-20 years ago. This is nothing new; which is why I am completely and utterly shocked that this issue has not been brought up before; and has not been resolved. While the two events I have witnessed (in less than 24 hours; mind you) have not caused specific safety issues; in relation to smashing into other aircraft or airspace; the possibility of this happening is very real. This is a major safety concern; as far as I'm concerned; and needs to be resolved before something bad happens.1) Disallow these Airbus aircraft from flying in the NAS.2) Since I know #1 isn't going to happen; have them fix their airplane so this doesn't occur over and over again. This is not acceptable.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.