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Attributes | |
ACN | 1440260 |
Time | |
Date | 201704 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZFW.ARTCC |
State Reference | TX |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Beechcraft Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 4 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
My radar assist received a call from an adjacent center sector with a question about a crossing restriction and then a point out for aircraft Y to cross dodje at 4;000 feet. We did not have any traffic. I noticed a limited data block in TRACON airspace at 9;000 feet opposite direction from aircraft Y. About 3-4 minutes out; I pulled the 9;000 foot data tag and watched it for a minute assuming TRACON would reference the traffic. After not noticing a temporary 10;000 feet assigned to aircraft Y; I checked to see if TRACON had a data block. They did not; so I sent them a plan view display (pvd) and made a call to see if they knew about the traffic. They did not and then took action to make sure there was separation.I called back a minute later to let him know the crossing restriction would be different. In the process I interrupted a call between the TRACON controller and the center low sector controller. The response from the TRACON controller was ridiculous; saying there was no factor between the two and it was safe to descend. Luckily the other sector controller did not descend aircraft Y and they passed separated vertically; but roughly 1.7 miles laterally while crossing opposite direction.with the required filters for center low sector generally set to 10;800-23;200 feet; they would have never seen the target to know there was traffic. I'm not sure TRACON knew or understood that there are limitations to what we see inside their airspace; although I'm not sure it would have made much of a difference based on the initial response.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Center Controllers reported receiving approval from TRACON to descend an aircraft into their airspace even though the TRACON had conflicting traffic.
Narrative: My Radar Assist received a call from an adjacent Center sector with a question about a crossing restriction and then a point out for aircraft Y to cross DODJE at 4;000 feet. We did not have any traffic. I noticed a limited data block in TRACON airspace at 9;000 feet opposite direction from aircraft Y. About 3-4 minutes out; I pulled the 9;000 foot data tag and watched it for a minute assuming TRACON would reference the traffic. After not noticing a temporary 10;000 feet assigned to aircraft Y; I checked to see if TRACON had a data block. They did not; so I sent them a Plan View Display (PVD) and made a call to see if they knew about the traffic. They did not and then took action to make sure there was separation.I called back a minute later to let him know the crossing restriction would be different. In the process I interrupted a call between the TRACON controller and the Center Low sector controller. The response from the TRACON controller was ridiculous; saying there was no factor between the two and it was safe to descend. Luckily the other sector controller did not descend aircraft Y and they passed separated vertically; but roughly 1.7 miles laterally while crossing opposite direction.With the required filters for Center Low sector generally set to 10;800-23;200 feet; they would have never seen the target to know there was traffic. I'm not sure TRACON knew or understood that there are limitations to what we see inside their airspace; although I'm not sure it would have made much of a difference based on the initial response.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.