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Air carrier widebody transport on climb from hnl eastbound fails to notify ATC of inbility to meet altitude crossing restriction.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 144049 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199004 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : hnl |
| State Reference | HI |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 32000 msl bound upper : 34000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : pacific enroute airway : r465 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 170 |
| ASRS Report | 144049 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying the aircraft. While climbing to FL340 I informed the captain that we would not be able to reach FL340 by cluts--the entry point for R465. A short while later the captain informed ATC and they said to cross 50 mi east of cluts at FL340. In the vicinity of cluts I informed the captain that we would be unable to cross 50 mi east of cluts at FL340. We were level at FL340 100 mi east of cluts (which is over clure). When reviewing the airep form in lax operations after the flight, I noted that the position reports for cluts and clure showed level FL340. The captain was unavailable for comment. I don't recall if ATC was advised at or before 50 mi east of cluts or how the voice xmissions were actually given to ATC. So, I'm not sure if this was a problem or not. The only suggestion I can think of is to review the paperwork immediately following any questionable operations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WDB ON CLIMB FROM HNL EASTBOUND FAILS TO NOTIFY ATC OF INBILITY TO MEET ALT CROSSING RESTRICTION.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING THE ACFT. WHILE CLBING TO FL340 I INFORMED THE CAPT THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REACH FL340 BY CLUTS--THE ENTRY POINT FOR R465. A SHORT WHILE LATER THE CAPT INFORMED ATC AND THEY SAID TO CROSS 50 MI E OF CLUTS AT FL340. IN THE VICINITY OF CLUTS I INFORMED THE CAPT THAT WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO CROSS 50 MI E OF CLUTS AT FL340. WE WERE LEVEL AT FL340 100 MI E OF CLUTS (WHICH IS OVER CLURE). WHEN REVIEWING THE AIREP FORM IN LAX OPS AFTER THE FLT, I NOTED THAT THE POS RPTS FOR CLUTS AND CLURE SHOWED LEVEL FL340. THE CAPT WAS UNAVAILABLE FOR COMMENT. I DON'T RECALL IF ATC WAS ADVISED AT OR BEFORE 50 MI E OF CLUTS OR HOW THE VOICE XMISSIONS WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN TO ATC. SO, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS A PROB OR NOT. THE ONLY SUGGESTION I CAN THINK OF IS TO REVIEW THE PAPERWORK IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING ANY QUESTIONABLE OPS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.