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Attributes | |
ACN | 1447067 |
Time | |
Date | 201705 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SAN.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A321 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR LUCKI1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
On lucki one RNAV arrival to the RNAV to runway 27. On final approach approaching trixi at 270 knots and 13;000 feet; per the RNAV SID. Steep descent and deceleration required from trixi. Extended flaps to position 1 10 knots below the limit. Possible overspeed of flaps at position 1 as speed increased back up to 235 knots with speed brakes partially extended enough to keep the hook (vls) below the target speed. Speed may have exceeded the limit by 1 or 2 knots during the steep descent. Extended gear; continued approach and landed normally. I made an aml entry about the possible overspeed.the problem is the 270 knots required at trixi; and steep descent and deceleration from trixi at 270 knots and 13;000 (12;000-14;000) to lyndi at 210 knots and 5;000 feet. A heavy airbus is difficult to slow from 270 to a gear extension speed of below 250 and/or an acceptable flap extension speed of 220 knots; during a 2.5-3 degree descent. Perhaps if the speed at trixi could be changed to 230 knots or 220 knots; the gear or flaps could be extended earlier; and this characteristic performance issue could be avoided.perhaps not engaging approach armed and allowing myself to get high by leveling off in order to slow down to extend gear and flaps 1; then using vertical speed and manually setting altitude selector to intermediate altitudes until on the profile; then arming approach so 'final approach' mode is entered. In addition; and more appropriately; if ATC could change the speed to 220 at trixi; a more normal descent and declaration would be possible.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A321 crew reported that on the LUCKI1 STAR into SAN it is very difficult to make the restrictions without overspeeding the flaps.
Narrative: On LUCKI ONE RNAV arrival to the RNAV to Runway 27. On final approach approaching TRIXI at 270 knots and 13;000 feet; per the RNAV SID. Steep descent and deceleration required from TRIXI. Extended Flaps to position 1 10 knots below the limit. Possible overspeed of flaps at position 1 as speed increased back up to 235 knots with speed brakes partially extended enough to keep the hook (Vls) below the target speed. Speed may have exceeded the limit by 1 or 2 knots during the steep descent. Extended gear; continued approach and landed normally. I made an AML entry about the possible overspeed.The problem is the 270 knots required at TRIXI; and steep descent and deceleration from TRIXI at 270 knots and 13;000 (12;000-14;000) to LYNDI at 210 knots and 5;000 feet. A heavy Airbus is difficult to slow from 270 to a gear extension speed of below 250 and/or an acceptable flap extension speed of 220 knots; during a 2.5-3 degree descent. Perhaps if the speed at TRIXI could be changed to 230 knots or 220 knots; the gear or flaps could be extended earlier; and this characteristic performance issue could be avoided.Perhaps not engaging Approach Armed and allowing myself to get high by leveling off in order to slow down to extend gear and Flaps 1; then using vertical speed and manually setting altitude selector to intermediate altitudes until on the profile; then arming approach so 'final approach' mode is entered. In addition; and more appropriately; if ATC could change the speed to 220 at TRIXI; a more normal descent and declaration would be possible.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.