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B737-800 flight crew reported receiving an amended approach clearance with nonstandard confusing phraseology.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1451902 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201705 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | U90.TRACON |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737-800 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
Center cleared us direct jovim direct tus; ATIS reported to expect the visual app; cleared to cross jovim 14000 feet 280 knots. Just prior to jovim approach says expect RNAV GPS to 29R. Then tells us to turn to intercept final app course. I have no idea what he means we are now turning to go direct tus as previously cleared. We ask what he means and approach repeats; 'turn to intercept final approach'. I had the approach loaded in the box but did not select jovim transition. I turned toward atoge. Told controller we needs a fix. Still not cleared for the approach or the visual. Approach says go to vedtu which is after jovim. So reloaded the arrival got headed to vedtu. Finally cleared for the approach landed uneventful. The whole event was nonstandard. Was late to slow below 10k due to total lack of understanding of the clearance.event was due to nonstandard approach clearance 'turn to intercept final approach course' with no approach clearance given. If he wanted us to fly the RNAV GPS 29R he need to give us clearance before jovim or past jovim a vector to a fix on the approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-800 flight crew reported receiving an amended approach clearance with nonstandard confusing phraseology.
Narrative: Center cleared us Direct JOVIM direct TUS; ATIS reported to expect the visual app; cleared to cross JOVIM 14000 feet 280 knots. Just prior to JOVIM approach says expect RNAV GPS to 29R. Then tells us to turn to intercept final app course. I have no idea what he means we are now turning to go direct TUS as previously cleared. We ask what he means and approach repeats; 'turn to intercept final approach'. I had the approach loaded in the box but did not select JOVIM transition. I turned toward ATOGE. Told controller we needs a fix. Still not cleared for the approach or the visual. Approach says go to VEDTU which is after JOVIM. So reloaded the arrival got headed to VEDTU. Finally cleared for the approach landed uneventful. The whole event was nonstandard. Was late to slow below 10k due to total lack of understanding of the clearance.Event was due to nonstandard approach clearance 'turn to intercept final approach course' with no approach clearance given. If he wanted us to fly the RNAV GPS 29R he need to give us clearance before JOVIM or past JOVIM a vector to a fix on the approach.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.