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ZID controller acting as an instructor/monitor while a supervisor gave a position certification to a trainee reported an airspace violation and violations of letters of agreement.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1467937 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201707 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZID.ARTCC |
| State Reference | IN |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Climb |
| Route In Use | Direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Enroute |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 10.5 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was working the d-side at sectors 34/35 for a check ride. The check ride started going south and I know we violated sector 18 with aircraft X I think at 19;000. 18 did call me and claim radar contact when this aircraft was 3 or so miles in their airspace. I think there might have been an LOA not followed with a lou arrival as well; but I'm not exactly sure as I was coordinating nonstop. The sector totally ran away from the trainee and I did everything possible to help out and yet not control the sector from the d-side during a check ride. The sector was controlled very well and there were a lot of panic reactions due to a lack of planning.after this check ride took place I got to thinking at what point as an OJT instructor do you shove the supervisor and trainee out of the way to maintain safety and keep the service we provide at an acceptable level? This I think is something most OJT instructors probably don't have the nerve to do as they might be scared of what the supervisor might say or do since it is a 'check ride'. I can't say that before this situation I would have done that; but after it I think I will definitely jump in sooner than later to prevent a cluster from happening. I think it's a slippery slope during a check ride as to when or if you even take over as an OJT instructor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZID Controller acting as an Instructor/Monitor while a Supervisor gave a position certification to a trainee reported an airspace violation and violations of Letters of Agreement.
Narrative: I was working the d-side at Sectors 34/35 for a check ride. The check ride started going south and I know we violated Sector 18 with Aircraft X I think at 19;000. 18 did call me and claim radar contact when this aircraft was 3 or so miles in their airspace. I think there might have been an LOA not followed with a LOU arrival as well; but I'm not exactly sure as I was coordinating nonstop. The sector totally ran away from the trainee and I did everything possible to help out and yet not control the sector from the d-side during a check ride. The sector was controlled very well and there were a lot of panic reactions due to a lack of planning.After this check ride took place I got to thinking at what point as an OJT Instructor do you shove the supervisor and trainee out of the way to maintain safety and keep the service we provide at an acceptable level? This I think is something most OJT Instructors probably don't have the nerve to do as they might be scared of what the supervisor might say or do since it is a 'check ride'. I can't say that before this situation I would have done that; but after it I think I will definitely jump in sooner than later to prevent a cluster from happening. I think it's a slippery slope during a check ride as to when or if you even take over as an OJT Instructor.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.