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Attributes | |
ACN | 147059 |
Time | |
Date | 199005 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl tracon : clt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 147059 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Improper airspeed in question happened during climb from 12000 ft to 17000 ft after departure from clt en route to dfw. Originally given hornet 1 departure that has a speed restriction of 250 KTS until advised by ATC. Initially assigned heading to intercept gafin which is clt 270 right to no particular point and asked when climbing below 10000 ft to hold present airspeed which was 230 KTS. Before reaching 12000 ft told to increase to 250 KTS and did. Prior to handoff to atlanta center, given clearance to 17000 ft, direct spa 'resume normal speed'. After checking on with atlanta center, center asked what our speed was, now 290 KTS, told to reduce to 250 KTS and challenged that hornet 1 departure airspeed still applied. When departure cleared us to a fix on the hornet 1 plate, but not directly connected to any departure route of that SID (ie gafin, gafs, or sandy) and told to 'resume normal speed'. Shouldn't proper terminology have been some reference to resume the hornet SID restrictions etc rather than resume normal speed. There fortunately was no conflict and asked controller before changing frequency if there was any problem and told him the way we/I understood/misunderstood the clearance. He said there was no problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SID REQUIRES 250 KT SPEED UNTIL ADVISED BY ATC. DEP CTLR ADVISED FLT CREW TO RESUME NORMAL SPEED. HANDED OFF TO CENTER, STL CTLR REQUESTED 250 KTS.
Narrative: IMPROPER AIRSPD IN QUESTION HAPPENED DURING CLB FROM 12000 FT TO 17000 FT AFTER DEP FROM CLT ENRTE TO DFW. ORIGINALLY GIVEN HORNET 1 DEP THAT HAS A SPD RESTRICTION OF 250 KTS UNTIL ADVISED BY ATC. INITIALLY ASSIGNED HDG TO INTERCEPT GAFIN WHICH IS CLT 270 R TO NO PARTICULAR POINT AND ASKED WHEN CLBING BELOW 10000 FT TO HOLD PRESENT AIRSPD WHICH WAS 230 KTS. BEFORE REACHING 12000 FT TOLD TO INCREASE TO 250 KTS AND DID. PRIOR TO HDOF TO ATLANTA CTR, GIVEN CLRNC TO 17000 FT, DIRECT SPA 'RESUME NORMAL SPD'. AFTER CHKING ON WITH ATLANTA CTR, CTR ASKED WHAT OUR SPD WAS, NOW 290 KTS, TOLD TO REDUCE TO 250 KTS AND CHALLENGED THAT HORNET 1 DEP AIRSPD STILL APPLIED. WHEN DEP CLRED US TO A FIX ON THE HORNET 1 PLATE, BUT NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO ANY DEP RTE OF THAT SID (IE GAFIN, GAFS, OR SANDY) AND TOLD TO 'RESUME NORMAL SPD'. SHOULDN'T PROPER TERMINOLOGY HAVE BEEN SOME REFERENCE TO RESUME THE HORNET SID RESTRICTIONS ETC RATHER THAN RESUME NORMAL SPD. THERE FORTUNATELY WAS NO CONFLICT AND ASKED CTLR BEFORE CHANGING FREQ IF THERE WAS ANY PROB AND TOLD HIM THE WAY WE/I UNDERSTOOD/MISUNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC. HE SAID THERE WAS NO PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.