Aircraft flown out of aft cg limits because of faulty weight and balance computations.

Attributes
ACN	147481
Time
Date	199006
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : pdx
State Reference	OR
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3060 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	147481
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

The flight from pdx to eug was running late and we happened to have the luck of having the ramper that isn't the brainiest filling out our weight and balance. Our first clue should have been when she failed to fill in most of the passenger on the weight and balance, but quite often with business passenger there isn't much baggage, so we were unsuspecting. We turned in our paperwork and left. The flight was uneventful until I called in our out and off times and was informed we had 423# unaccounted for in the aft, and the 90 pounds was really in the pod. This made us out of cg aft. We decided to move passenger foreward en route so as to be legal. (I'm sure they'll be frequent fliers after this.) my suggestion for correction of this sort of problem is quite simple. When you trust people with critical things you should pay enough to keep your good people and screen out people like this that can't learn a simple job in 4 months. Either this or change the system to allow 1 crew member to easily oversee bag loading and still have time for personal needs.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACFT FLOWN OUT OF AFT CG LIMITS BECAUSE OF FAULTY WEIGHT AND BALANCE COMPUTATIONS.

Narrative: THE FLT FROM PDX TO EUG WAS RUNNING LATE AND WE HAPPENED TO HAVE THE LUCK OF HAVING THE RAMPER THAT ISN'T THE BRAINIEST FILLING OUT OUR WT AND BAL. OUR FIRST CLUE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHEN SHE FAILED TO FILL IN MOST OF THE PAX ON THE WT AND BAL, BUT QUITE OFTEN WITH BUSINESS PAX THERE ISN'T MUCH BAGGAGE, SO WE WERE UNSUSPECTING. WE TURNED IN OUR PAPERWORK AND LEFT. THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL UNTIL I CALLED IN OUR OUT AND OFF TIMES AND WAS INFORMED WE HAD 423# UNACCOUNTED FOR IN THE AFT, AND THE 90 LBS WAS REALLY IN THE POD. THIS MADE US OUT OF CG AFT. WE DECIDED TO MOVE PAX FOREWARD ENRTE SO AS TO BE LEGAL. (I'M SURE THEY'LL BE FREQUENT FLIERS AFTER THIS.) MY SUGGESTION FOR CORRECTION OF THIS SORT OF PROB IS QUITE SIMPLE. WHEN YOU TRUST PEOPLE WITH CRITICAL THINGS YOU SHOULD PAY ENOUGH TO KEEP YOUR GOOD PEOPLE AND SCREEN OUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS THAT CAN'T LEARN A SIMPLE JOB IN 4 MONTHS. EITHER THIS OR CHANGE THE SYS TO ALLOW 1 CREW MEMBER TO EASILY OVERSEE BAG LOADING AND STILL HAVE TIME FOR PERSONAL NEEDS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.