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B777 first officer reported confusion with a NOTAM that addressed an engine failure procedure from runway 01C at iad.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1479665 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201709 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | IAD.Airport |
| State Reference | DC |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Total 11083 Flight Crew Type 1332 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
The NOTAM addressing an engine failure on takeoff from runway 01C at iad is creating a lot of confusion at best; and is being ignored by most crews (for somewhat valid reasons). In our case; fate intervened and we took off from runway 30. First and foremost; why does this NOTAM only apply when runway 01R is closed? Are the cranes moved when 01R is open? If runway 01R is open (as was the case for us); should this procedure be followed or not? The NOTAM references a 'flight ops bulletin'. What exactly is a 'flight ops bulletin' (our app contains pilot bulletins and ops alerts only)? Assuming this refers to a pilot bulletin; where is this mystery bulletin and how does one read it? The NOTAM states that all changes have been made in our flight planning software. As you can see below; this is simply not true. Lastly; previous crews have cited the B777 flight manual note at the top of page and ignored this NOTAM. Please update iad pilots as soon as possible. Thanks!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777 First Officer reported confusion with a NOTAM that addressed an engine failure procedure from Runway 01C at IAD.
Narrative: The NOTAM addressing an engine failure on takeoff from Runway 01C at IAD is creating a lot of confusion at best; and is being ignored by most crews (for somewhat valid reasons). In our case; fate intervened and we took off from Runway 30. First and foremost; why does this NOTAM only apply when Runway 01R is closed? Are the cranes moved when 01R is open? If Runway 01R is open (as was the case for us); should this procedure be followed or not? The NOTAM references a 'Flight Ops Bulletin'. What exactly is a 'Flight Ops Bulletin' (Our app contains Pilot Bulletins and Ops Alerts only)? Assuming this refers to a Pilot Bulletin; where is this mystery bulletin and how does one read it? The NOTAM states that all changes have been made in our flight planning software. As you can see below; this is simply not true. Lastly; previous crews have cited the B777 Flight Manual Note at the top of page and ignored this NOTAM. Please update IAD pilots as soon as possible. Thanks!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.