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Attributes | |
ACN | 1492008 |
Time | |
Date | 201710 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZAU.ARTCC |
State Reference | IL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Embraer Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR WATSN 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
We were on the watsn 3 arrival headed into ord. We were given a clearance to cross hulls at 12;000'. We descended and were about 10 miles south of hulls when we leveled off at 12000'. At around the same time; ATC issued a traffic advisory to us and a citation that was at our 2 o'clock and approximately 7 miles. We both called each other in sight; and then ATC asked the citation if he could maintain visual separation and climb through our altitude. At this point; the citation said 'yes' and started a climb. We immediately got a TA; followed by a resolution advisory (RA). We climbed per the TCAS instructions to about 12;900'; and then descended back down to our assigned altitude of 12;000'. We looked at our TCAS at 12;900'; and the citation was less than a mile behind us; -800 below us. The first officer could see the citation right outside the window; and could tell he was slightly behind us.I don't think we were ever in immediate danger; but feel as if the visual climb was a pretty odd clearance in such close proximity to an arriving aircraft.the controller's response to our climb was '[the citation] had a clearance to climb through your altitude maintaining visual separation.'the [citation's] response was 'we weren't close at all.'our TCAS said we were close enough.although we had the aircraft in sight; we elected to follow the TCAS RA guidance for two reasons. 1) because that's what we are trained to do. 2) the way the citation was heading towards us; it was very difficult to see which way the airplane was moving; as it was coming right for us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Regional Jet Captain reported responding to a TCAS RA climb command while descending into ORD when a Citation climbing VFR triggered the conflict alert.
Narrative: We were on the WATSN 3 Arrival headed into ORD. We were given a clearance to cross HULLS at 12;000'. We descended and were about 10 miles south of HULLS when we leveled off at 12000'. At around the same time; ATC issued a traffic advisory to us and a Citation that was at our 2 o'clock and approximately 7 miles. We both called each other in sight; and then ATC asked the Citation if he could maintain visual separation and climb through our altitude. At this point; the Citation said 'yes' and started a climb. We immediately got a TA; followed by a Resolution Advisory (RA). We climbed per the TCAS instructions to about 12;900'; and then descended back down to our assigned altitude of 12;000'. We looked at our TCAS at 12;900'; and the Citation was less than a mile behind us; -800 below us. The First Officer could see the Citation right outside the window; and could tell he was slightly behind us.I don't think we were ever in immediate danger; but feel as if the visual climb was a pretty odd clearance in such close proximity to an arriving aircraft.The Controller's response to our climb was '[The Citation] had a clearance to climb through your altitude maintaining visual separation.'The [Citation's] response was 'we weren't close at all.'Our TCAS said we were close enough.Although we had the aircraft in sight; we elected to follow the TCAS RA guidance for two reasons. 1) Because that's what we are trained to do. 2) The way the Citation was heading towards us; it was very difficult to see which way the airplane was moving; as it was coming right for us.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.