Air carrier large transport flight crew accused of violating the 250 KT restriction below 10000'.

Attributes
ACN	149333
Time
Date	199003
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sju
State Reference	PR
Altitude	msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90 tracon : sju
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude descent other
Route In Use	departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	149333
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Mr P, an aci from the teb FSDO, was riding in the cockpit jump seat during the flight. He was administering a route check. During departure and arrival when beyond 12 NM from the respective coastlines we exceeded 250 KTS below 10000' MSL. Upon arrival at the gate in ewr, mr P wanted to give me an unsatisfactory rating for the check ride due to the above action. After a 20 min debrief, mr P said that he would drop the whole matter. About 2 weeks later I received the enclosed letter. The captain during the flight received a similar letter about 4 weeks after the occurrence. Mr P is a very inexperienced aci. During the debrief he stated that if you are in radio contact with us ATC,then you must be 250 KTS or less when below 10000' MSL, and he was not aware of the 12 NM us airspace limit. There is justification for the enclosed letter, and it should be removed from record.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT FLT CREW ACCUSED OF VIOLATING THE 250 KT RESTRICTION BELOW 10000'.

Narrative: MR P, AN ACI FROM THE TEB FSDO, WAS RIDING IN THE COCKPIT JUMP SEAT DURING THE FLT. HE WAS ADMINISTERING A RTE CHK. DURING DEP AND ARR WHEN BEYOND 12 NM FROM THE RESPECTIVE COASTLINES WE EXCEEDED 250 KTS BELOW 10000' MSL. UPON ARR AT THE GATE IN EWR, MR P WANTED TO GIVE ME AN UNSATISFACTORY RATING FOR THE CHK RIDE DUE TO THE ABOVE ACTION. AFTER A 20 MIN DEBRIEF, MR P SAID THAT HE WOULD DROP THE WHOLE MATTER. ABOUT 2 WKS LATER I RECEIVED THE ENCLOSED LETTER. THE CAPT DURING THE FLT RECEIVED A SIMILAR LETTER ABOUT 4 WKS AFTER THE OCCURRENCE. MR P IS A VERY INEXPERIENCED ACI. DURING THE DEBRIEF HE STATED THAT IF YOU ARE IN RADIO CONTACT WITH U.S. ATC,THEN YOU MUST BE 250 KTS OR LESS WHEN BELOW 10000' MSL, AND HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE 12 NM U.S. AIRSPACE LIMIT. THERE IS JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ENCLOSED LETTER, AND IT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM RECORD.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.