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Attributes | |
ACN | 1503285 |
Time | |
Date | 201712 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | N90.TRACON |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER/LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Wake Vortex Encounter |
Narrative:
[Emb-145] was inbound. While level at 7;000 at 230 knots on the STAR [he] asked for an immediate descent. Once descended I asked [him] for the reason for descent request; and he reported severe turbulence. This seemed odd to have severe turbulence reported on a very active STAR with no other previous reports of any turbulence from other aircraft. I disseminated the PIREP and solicited more reports from other aircraft in the area. All other aircraft reported a smooth ride. I then realized the [emb-145] was 5 miles in trail of a [B737-8 maximum]; who was on the same STAR at the same altitude. I suspect [the emb-145] was actually experiencing wake turbulence behind the [B737-8 maximum].I'm unsure what kind of testing is done with these newer aircraft; but for an emb-145 to experience severe turbulence being 5 miles in trail of a [B737-8 maximum] I'm concerned about this weight classification. I recommend further testing is done on the [B737-8 maximum] aircraft in terms of their weight class and the amount of wake they produce. If it is determined that these aircraft are creating significant wake turbulence to have an emb-145 report severe turbulence while 5 miles in trail level flight at 230 knots; then I think reclassifying them as heavy aircraft may be necessary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: N90 TRACON Controller reported receiving reports of wake turbulence from an EMB-145 flight crew on arrival into LGA 5 miles in trail of a B737-8 MAX. Reporter expressed concern that the B737-8 MAX may have to be classified as a heavy jet for wake turbulence separation purposes.
Narrative: [EMB-145] was inbound. While level at 7;000 at 230 knots on the STAR [he] asked for an immediate descent. Once descended I asked [him] for the reason for descent request; and he reported severe turbulence. This seemed odd to have severe turbulence reported on a very active STAR with no other previous reports of any turbulence from other aircraft. I disseminated the PIREP and solicited more reports from other aircraft in the area. All other aircraft reported a smooth ride. I then realized the [EMB-145] was 5 miles in trail of a [B737-8 MAX]; who was on the same STAR at the same altitude. I suspect [the EMB-145] was actually experiencing wake turbulence behind the [B737-8 MAX].I'm unsure what kind of testing is done with these newer aircraft; but for an EMB-145 to experience severe turbulence being 5 miles in trail of a [B737-8 MAX] I'm concerned about this weight classification. I recommend further testing is done on the [B737-8 MAX] aircraft in terms of their weight class and the amount of wake they produce. If it is determined that these aircraft are creating significant wake turbulence to have an EMB-145 report severe turbulence while 5 miles in trail level flight at 230 knots; then I think reclassifying them as heavy aircraft may be necessary.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.