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Attributes | |
ACN | 1507531 |
Time | |
Date | 201712 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZNY.ARTCC |
State Reference | NY |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | Direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 9 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
We had a departure on a vector climbing to 23;000 ft. I was working the handoff side. The radar controller recognized he was climbing a little fast and might become a conflict with a point out we had been given. He stopped the departure at 21;000 ft. At this point they had a lot of space between them and the point out was in the vicinity of 20;000 ft. We did not update the data block. I was working on point outs and was no longer worried about the traffic conflict. Based upon the climb rates I felt very comfortable with what happened. I was also on the busier side. The other sector called and asked if our traffic was climbing out to 23;000 ft. I told her we stopped our guy at 21;000 ft. A minute later I called to make a different point out and they asked us how we separated those two. I exclaimed 'we stopped him at 210.' the controller said 'our guy wasn't out of 210.' she then asked 'is that a 3 mile zone.' I told her 'I thought they were good.' this was my belief all along. She began to debate with me. As I had other significantly higher duties I said 'I thought it was good. If you have to write it up; write it up.'I told the radar controller what the other controller had said. We were both were surprised. He exclaimed 'that is a 3 mile zone.' I called them back and said it was in the 3 mile zone. She said 'they didn't have a 1;000 ft.' I do not recall how I responded. At this point I still felt it was a non-issue; as I do now. I heard the other facility called and lodged a complaint against us; so I am filling this out now. I am very sure their traffic was well out of 21;000 ft when our traffic reached 21;000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZNY Center Controller reported that an adjacent sector reported them for having less than the required separation between two aircraft.
Narrative: We had a departure on a vector climbing to 23;000 ft. I was working the Handoff side. The radar controller recognized he was climbing a little fast and might become a conflict with a point out we had been given. He stopped the departure at 21;000 ft. At this point they had a lot of space between them and the point out was in the vicinity of 20;000 ft. We did not update the data block. I was working on point outs and was no longer worried about the traffic conflict. Based upon the climb rates I felt very comfortable with what happened. I was also on the busier side. The other sector called and asked if our traffic was climbing out to 23;000 ft. I told her we stopped our guy at 21;000 ft. A minute later I called to make a different point out and they asked us how we separated those two. I exclaimed 'We stopped him at 210.' The controller said 'Our guy wasn't out of 210.' She then asked 'Is that a 3 mile zone.' I told her 'I thought they were good.' This was my belief all along. She began to debate with me. As I had other significantly higher duties I said 'I thought it was good. If you have to write it up; write it up.'I told the Radar Controller what the other controller had said. We were both were surprised. He exclaimed 'That is a 3 mile zone.' I called them back and said it was in the 3 mile zone. She said 'They didn't have a 1;000 ft.' I do not recall how I responded. At this point I still felt it was a non-issue; as I do now. I heard the other facility called and lodged a complaint against us; so I am filling this out now. I am very sure their traffic was well out of 21;000 ft when our traffic reached 21;000 ft.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.