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Attributes | |
ACN | 1512955 |
Time | |
Date | 201801 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | DA40 Diamond Star |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Person 1 | |
Function | Instructor Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 120 Flight Crew Total 492 Flight Crew Type 350 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was flying with student in a C172. We headed toward [home airport]; I made the top of stack request 10 miles north. 3500 was taken; 4000 was open and there was a GPS hold at 4500. I made my call to take 4000 ft in 7 minutes. I was following the published procedures.as we got closer 3500 feet became open. I made the announcement to take 3500. Crossed the VOR; tear drop entry; made outbound call; turned inbound. Student told me he was turning inbound. I made the procedure turn inbound call for the ILS. As we got closer to the VOR; another plane came up from beneath us and almost caused a midair. The DA40 passed inches beneath us. I was able to increase the aoa just enough to get us out the way. As the wake passed I had a moment of doubt as [to] whether or not there was contact on the main gear - I believe that although we did not make contact we were inches from contact. I was able to see (albeit) the two pilots in the cockpit. I made an announcement on frequency that there was a plane in the stack that was not talking on frequency; they replied saying they had made intention to take 3500 in 1 minute. That however is not the procedure and I did not hear this call. The student was able to verify that he heard nothing. The other plane then made his procedure call over the VOR. This is when I was able to take down the tail number.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 flight instructor reported a NMAC with a DA40 that was not transmitting intentions or following proper procedure.
Narrative: I was flying with student in a C172. We headed toward [home airport]; I made the top of stack request 10 miles north. 3500 was taken; 4000 was open and there was a GPS hold at 4500. I made my call to take 4000 ft in 7 minutes. I was following the published procedures.As we got closer 3500 feet became open. I made the announcement to take 3500. Crossed the VOR; tear drop entry; made outbound call; turned inbound. Student told me he was turning inbound. I made the procedure turn inbound call for the ILS. As we got closer to the VOR; another plane came up from beneath us and almost caused a midair. The DA40 passed inches beneath us. I was able to increase the AOA just enough to get us out the way. As the wake passed I had a moment of doubt as [to] whether or not there was contact on the main gear - I believe that although we did not make contact we were inches from contact. I was able to see (albeit) the two pilots in the cockpit. I made an announcement on frequency that there was a plane in the stack that was not talking on frequency; they replied saying they had made intention to take 3500 in 1 minute. That however is not the procedure and I did not hear this call. The student was able to verify that he heard nothing. The other plane then made his procedure call over the VOR. This is when I was able to take down the tail number.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.