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Attributes | |
ACN | 1531822 |
Time | |
Date | 201803 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (mon) 5 Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 3 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter CFTT / CFIT |
Narrative:
The sna final has very high terrain to the east; which makes it nearly impossible to meet the glideslope requirements. If we don't anticipate; we put aircraft in an unsafe; unstable approach. If we wait till the line; and say; 'descend and maintain 3000'; it often takes a few sweeps until the altitude changes which puts them above 4500 over snake which they should be at 3400 at. It is a very bad setup. Pilots are commonly asking for lower; pilots zigzag through the final sometimes because they're above; and approximately a year ago; we had a step down to alleviate all of this; which was 2200 feet lower than the current MVA.recommendation: either tweak the mvas so that we can descend earlier; or make everyone go on right downwind with sna flow.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SCT Controller reported difficulty guiding descents into SNA that meet the revised MVA limits.
Narrative: The SNA final has very high terrain to the east; which makes it nearly impossible to meet the glideslope requirements. If we don't anticipate; we put aircraft in an unsafe; unstable approach. If we wait till the line; and say; 'descend and maintain 3000'; it often takes a few sweeps until the altitude changes which puts them above 4500 over SNAKE which they should be at 3400 at. It is a very bad setup. Pilots are commonly asking for lower; pilots zigzag through the final sometimes because they're above; and approximately a year ago; we had a step down to alleviate all of this; which was 2200 feet lower than the current MVA.Recommendation: Either tweak the MVAs so that we can descend earlier; or make everyone go on right downwind with SNA flow.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.