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Attributes | |
ACN | 153994 |
Time | |
Date | 199008 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : djb |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob tower : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 6 flight time total : 3230 flight time type : 6 |
ASRS Report | 153994 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | other Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I'm a brand new first officer with air carrier (6 hours in aircraft). My captain, on this my second day, was a reserve who had just completed IOE. 2 brand new crew members. I am unfamiliar with the rtes, this medium large transport is my first jet, my first large transport type aircraft. We were flying southeast of vwv on V526. We were to turn northeast at 40 DME. I however, misread the DME in my newness and nervousness. I read the full route distance, 72, instead of the 40 NM distance to the turn. We therefore continued straight ahead, descending from approximately FL230 down to 10000' west/O turning to join V526 inbound to djb. ZOB had us stop our descent as soon as practicable, approximately 15000', then vectored us out of ZOB's departure corridor which apparently we had entered. We did a complete, vectored, 360 degree turn back towards djb. This caused a jet behind us to be delayed as well. If I had not been so new, so nervous, so uncomfortable flying this jet, this never would have happened. If my captain had monitored me more closely, he was performing a checklist, it never would have happened. As a former commuter captain, I know not to leave a brand new first officer unattended for very long. My captain, having never flown with a brand new first officer on their first trip, and being new himself, apparently did not know to keep very close tabs on me. I made a mistake. He did not catch it. It turned into a very big mess. While we were both at fault, I feel the underlying cause of this lays with crew scheduling. Don't put 2 brand new crew members together. It's unwise, unsafe, and potentially dangerous.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NAVIGATION ERROR. FLT CREW MISREAD DISTANCE TO TURN POINT. OVERSHOT INTO APCH CORRIDOR TO CLE DURING DESCENT. CENTER CORRECTED AND VECTORED A 360 DEGREE TURN IN DESCENT.
Narrative: I'M A BRAND NEW F/O WITH ACR (6 HRS IN ACFT). MY CAPT, ON THIS MY SEC DAY, WAS A RESERVE WHO HAD JUST COMPLETED IOE. 2 BRAND NEW CREW MEMBERS. I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH THE RTES, THIS MLG IS MY FIRST JET, MY FIRST LARGE TRANSPORT TYPE ACFT. WE WERE FLYING SE OF VWV ON V526. WE WERE TO TURN NE AT 40 DME. I HOWEVER, MISREAD THE DME IN MY NEWNESS AND NERVOUSNESS. I READ THE FULL RTE DISTANCE, 72, INSTEAD OF THE 40 NM DISTANCE TO THE TURN. WE THEREFORE CONTINUED STRAIGHT AHEAD, DSNDING FROM APPROX FL230 DOWN TO 10000' W/O TURNING TO JOIN V526 INBND TO DJB. ZOB HAD US STOP OUR DSNT AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE, APPROX 15000', THEN VECTORED US OUT OF ZOB'S DEP CORRIDOR WHICH APPARENTLY WE HAD ENTERED. WE DID A COMPLETE, VECTORED, 360 DEG TURN BACK TOWARDS DJB. THIS CAUSED A JET BEHIND US TO BE DELAYED AS WELL. IF I HAD NOT BEEN SO NEW, SO NERVOUS, SO UNCOMFORTABLE FLYING THIS JET, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. IF MY CAPT HAD MONITORED ME MORE CLOSELY, HE WAS PERFORMING A CHKLIST, IT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. AS A FORMER COMMUTER CAPT, I KNOW NOT TO LEAVE A BRAND NEW F/O UNATTENDED FOR VERY LONG. MY CAPT, HAVING NEVER FLOWN WITH A BRAND NEW F/O ON THEIR FIRST TRIP, AND BEING NEW HIMSELF, APPARENTLY DID NOT KNOW TO KEEP VERY CLOSE TABS ON ME. I MADE A MISTAKE. HE DID NOT CATCH IT. IT TURNED INTO A VERY BIG MESS. WHILE WE WERE BOTH AT FAULT, I FEEL THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF THIS LAYS WITH CREW SCHEDULING. DON'T PUT 2 BRAND NEW CREW MEMBERS TOGETHER. IT'S UNWISE, UNSAFE, AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.