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Attributes | |
ACN | 1540689 |
Time | |
Date | 201805 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | TLH.Airport |
State Reference | FL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
We were conducting [a] flight to tlh. Weather was great and we had completed our initial descent down to 4;000 feet; having asked for a visual to 36. About 12 miles north of tlh; approach advised us to expect a visual to 27 instead. We were given abbreviated vectors to the south; to establish a right base just outside the FAF for the ILS 27; when ATC advised us that we were cleared for the visual 27; but there was traffic ahead of us; and requested we slow down to 180; because we were overtaking the traffic also on a visual to 27. We turned inbound about 9 miles from the runway; at 1;800; indicating 180 KTS; when ATC advised us we were still 80 KTS faster. We inquired if ATC wanted to give us a vector for a box pattern; to provide more separation; but ATC just said to continue. We slowed down to 160 while configured with gear down and flap 30; now about 7 miles from ray 27 and about 3 mile from the FAF. We could see the traffic about 3 miles ahead of us; and it looked like the separation was not going to work out.instead of waiting until we were at 500 feet or so AGL on final and 'then' having to make a low altitude go around; I simply made the command decisions to tell ATC (the same folks we had asked if they thought the separation looked good previously) we just needed a box pattern for 'separation with the traffic.' ATC cleared us to do a box pattern; which allowed the extremely slow [aircraft] (they must have been trying to build time; since apparently they flew at close to vref of 100 KTS for most of their 15-mile straight in visual) to safely land on 27.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier Captain reported a conflict with traffic while on a visual approach into TLH.
Narrative: We were conducting [a] flight to TLH. Weather was great and we had completed our initial descent down to 4;000 feet; having asked for a visual to 36. About 12 miles north of TLH; Approach advised us to expect a visual to 27 instead. We were given abbreviated vectors to the south; to establish a right base just outside the FAF for the ILS 27; when ATC advised us that we were cleared for the visual 27; but there was traffic ahead of us; and requested we slow down to 180; because we were overtaking the traffic also on a visual to 27. We turned inbound about 9 miles from the runway; at 1;800; indicating 180 KTS; when ATC advised us we were still 80 KTS faster. We inquired if ATC wanted to give us a vector for a box pattern; to provide more separation; but ATC just said to continue. We slowed down to 160 while configured with gear down and flap 30; now about 7 miles from Ray 27 and about 3 mile from the FAF. We could see the traffic about 3 miles ahead of us; and it looked like the separation was not going to work out.Instead of waiting until we were at 500 feet or so AGL on final and 'then' having to make a low altitude go around; I simply made the Command decisions to tell ATC (the same folks we had asked if they thought the separation looked good previously) we just needed a box pattern for 'separation with the traffic.' ATC cleared us to do a box pattern; which allowed the extremely slow [aircraft] (they must have been trying to build time; since apparently they flew at close to Vref of 100 KTS for most of their 15-mile straight in visual) to safely land on 27.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.