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Attributes | |
ACN | 155065 |
Time | |
Date | 199008 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival : profile descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 155065 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were descending into lax on the civet profile descent with the copilot flying. Approach control cleared us for the runway 24R approach to cross denay intersection 8000. The copilot put this into the mode control panel and I turned and looked up the frequency for the ILS. When I looked up the autoplt was leveling off at 7000' as we passed denay intersection 1000' low. The mode control panel had jumped 1000' by itself while I was distraction for a short time. This had happened numerous times on the medium large transport advance and needs to be fixed immediately. I recommend the inner and outer knobs be reversed in function so if it jumps it will only move 100' instead of 1000'. Also more positive detents on the knob. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information. It is possible in turning the altitude set knob to not feel the knob set in the detent, in other words to leave it on top of the knurl and although the correct altitude number is showing the control can fall back or forward into the notch and change the altitude. At least this is what I discern to be the problem with the thousand ft selector. One must be extremely careful to properly notch the selector when selecting an altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT SET IN ALT SELECT BUT CHANGED BY 1000' WITHOUT FLC INPUT.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING INTO LAX ON THE CIVET PROFILE DSNT WITH THE COPLT FLYING. APCH CTL CLRED US FOR THE RWY 24R APCH TO CROSS DENAY INTXN 8000. THE COPLT PUT THIS INTO THE MODE CTL PANEL AND I TURNED AND LOOKED UP THE FREQ FOR THE ILS. WHEN I LOOKED UP THE AUTOPLT WAS LEVELING OFF AT 7000' AS WE PASSED DENAY INTXN 1000' LOW. THE MODE CTL PANEL HAD JUMPED 1000' BY ITSELF WHILE I WAS DISTR FOR A SHORT TIME. THIS HAD HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES ON THE MLG ADVANCE AND NEEDS TO BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY. I RECOMMEND THE INNER AND OUTER KNOBS BE REVERSED IN FUNCTION SO IF IT JUMPS IT WILL ONLY MOVE 100' INSTEAD OF 1000'. ALSO MORE POSITIVE DETENTS ON THE KNOB. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. IT IS POSSIBLE IN TURNING THE ALT SET KNOB TO NOT FEEL THE KNOB SET IN THE DETENT, IN OTHER WORDS TO LEAVE IT ON TOP OF THE KNURL AND ALTHOUGH THE CORRECT ALT NUMBER IS SHOWING THE CTL CAN FALL BACK OR FORWARD INTO THE NOTCH AND CHANGE THE ALT. AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT I DISCERN TO BE THE PROB WITH THE THOUSAND FT SELECTOR. ONE MUST BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL TO PROPERLY NOTCH THE SELECTOR WHEN SELECTING AN ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.