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Attributes | |
ACN | 1570802 |
Time | |
Date | 201808 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | Autoflight System |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Total 10698 Flight Crew Type 1051 |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Total 11553 Flight Crew Type 377 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Procedural Maintenance Deviation - Procedural MEL Deviation - Procedural FAR |
Narrative:
During the review process of the [maintenance release]; I noted a deferred defect 'flch button light inop.' the MEL stated; 'affected mode indications on both pfd's must operate normally.'I asked local maintenance if they changed the light bulbs. They said no. [I] asked why not; I was told they were concerned if they broke the switch in the process; the flight would cancel; because they lacked the parts to fix this. It was not possible to dispatch with the switch inoperative.just minutes before pushback we received an ACARS message that our [maintenance release] was invalid. A new [maintenance release] was received from [maintenance control]. The updated [maintenance release] changed the defect to 'mode control panel flch switch inoperative.' the MEL stated; 'may be inoperative provided enroute operations do not require its use.' what does this mean? This is a very vague statement. We use flch on every flight. Local maintenance had previously informed me this was not deferrable. I satcom called dispatch and [maintenance control] to discuss this item.both dispatch and [maintenance control] told me that the deferral was legal with no restrictions. With this information and the excellent weather forecast for the flight; I accepted the [maintenance release] even though I was still annoyed; unclear; of the MEL statement.during cruise I reviewed the FM (flight manual); fom (flight operations manual); [international operations manual] and discussed this more with both first officer's. The cabin altitude checklist; used for emergency descent; specifically states flch. However there is V/south (vertical speed) guidance buried in the FM for emergency descents. Obviously flch is preferred due [to] airspeed and altitude protection.I sent an ACARS message to the [chief pilot] asking what the MEL note mean to him. With no answer I satcom called dispatch with a phone patch including the [chief pilot]. I discussed my concerns and requested more information from the B777 fleet at the training center.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777 flight crew reported a maintenance discrepancy concerning a function button on the Mode Control Panel which had an extinguished light bulb.
Narrative: During the review process of the [Maintenance Release]; I noted a deferred defect 'FLCH button light inop.' The MEL stated; 'Affected mode indications on both PFD's must operate normally.'I asked Local Maintenance if they changed the light bulbs. They said no. [I] asked why not; I was told they were concerned if they broke the switch in the process; the flight would cancel; because they lacked the parts to fix this. It was not possible to Dispatch with the switch inoperative.Just minutes before pushback we received an ACARS message that our [Maintenance Release] was invalid. A new [Maintenance Release] was received from [Maintenance Control]. The updated [Maintenance Release] changed the defect to 'Mode Control Panel FLCH switch inoperative.' The MEL stated; 'May be inoperative provided enroute operations do not require its use.' What does this mean? This is a very vague statement. We use FLCH on every flight. Local Maintenance had previously informed me this was not deferrable. I SATCOM called Dispatch and [Maintenance Control] to discuss this item.Both Dispatch and [Maintenance Control] told me that the deferral was legal with NO restrictions. With this information and the excellent weather forecast for the flight; I accepted the [Maintenance Release] even though I was still annoyed; unclear; of the MEL statement.During cruise I reviewed the FM (Flight Manual); FOM (Flight Operations Manual); [International Operations Manual] and discussed this more with both FO's. The Cabin Altitude checklist; used for emergency descent; specifically states FLCH. However there is V/S (Vertical Speed) guidance buried in the FM for emergency descents. Obviously FLCH is preferred due [to] Airspeed and Altitude protection.I sent an ACARS message to the [Chief Pilot] asking what the MEL note mean to him. With no answer I SATCOM called Dispatch with a phone patch including the [Chief Pilot]. I discussed my concerns and requested more information from the B777 Fleet at the Training Center.
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