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Attributes | |
ACN | 158048 |
Time | |
Date | 199009 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 158048 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 158067 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were flying flight from sfo-lax on 9-TUE-90. Lax approach cleared us for the stadium visibility to runway 24R. We made the turn to the so as depicted, and were approximately 12 mi from the airport. The localizer for runway 24R was tuned for inbound guidance. Visibility was reduced with smog and haze, and we were looking into the sun. Visibility contact with the airport was lost, requiring us to use the localizer to navigate inbound. West/O visibility reference with the 24R runway, the localizer capture came too quick. As soon as the localizer needle began to move, we started our turn inbound. However, we flew through it and began a corrective turn to recapture. As we were in the turn, approach told us we were south of course, and to turn right 30 degree now (emphasizing the word now). We advised that we were doing that, and we reintercepted the localizer for the visibility approach. No further comment was made by approach, and no known conflict occurred. Visibility contact was made with the runway at approximately 5 DME. The controller advised us of traffic behind and paralleling our course, inbound for the south complex. Visibility contact and sep was made and maintained for the remainder of the approach. The traffic was well behind us and to the left. With parallel visibility apches being used with visibility reduction ever present at las, the potential for conflicts with traffic is very great. A review for the concept of this type approach at this facility should be considered.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON VISUAL APCH IN HAZY CONDITINOS LOSES SIGHT OF ARPT OVERSHOOTS LOCALIZER.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING FLT FROM SFO-LAX ON 9-TUE-90. LAX APCH CLRED US FOR THE STADIUM VIS TO RWY 24R. WE MADE THE TURN TO THE SO AS DEPICTED, AND WERE APPROX 12 MI FROM THE ARPT. THE LOC FOR RWY 24R WAS TUNED FOR INBND GUIDANCE. VISIBILITY WAS REDUCED WITH SMOG AND HAZE, AND WE WERE LOOKING INTO THE SUN. VIS CONTACT WITH THE ARPT WAS LOST, REQUIRING US TO USE THE LOC TO NAVIGATE INBND. W/O VIS REFERENCE WITH THE 24R RWY, THE LOC CAPTURE CAME TOO QUICK. AS SOON AS THE LOC NEEDLE BEGAN TO MOVE, WE STARTED OUR TURN INBND. HOWEVER, WE FLEW THROUGH IT AND BEGAN A CORRECTIVE TURN TO RECAPTURE. AS WE WERE IN THE TURN, APCH TOLD US WE WERE S OF COURSE, AND TO TURN R 30 DEG NOW (EMPHASIZING THE WORD NOW). WE ADVISED THAT WE WERE DOING THAT, AND WE REINTERCEPTED THE LOC FOR THE VIS APCH. NO FURTHER COMMENT WAS MADE BY APCH, AND NO KNOWN CONFLICT OCCURRED. VIS CONTACT WAS MADE WITH THE RWY AT APPROX 5 DME. THE CTLR ADVISED US OF TFC BEHIND AND PARALLELING OUR COURSE, INBND FOR THE S COMPLEX. VIS CONTACT AND SEP WAS MADE AND MAINTAINED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE APCH. THE TFC WAS WELL BEHIND US AND TO THE L. WITH PARALLEL VIS APCHES BEING USED WITH VISIBILITY REDUCTION EVER PRESENT AT LAS, THE POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICTS WITH TFC IS VERY GREAT. A REVIEW FOR THE CONCEPT OF THIS TYPE APCH AT THIS FAC SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.