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Attributes | |
ACN | 1586830 |
Time | |
Date | 201810 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Private |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 20 Flight Crew Total 204 Flight Crew Type 203 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 200 Vertical 300 |
Narrative:
Pleasure flight with 3 souls on board. I was PIC. I announced my 10 mile and then 5 mile location for approach once in proximity to ZZZ. The airport was busy with multiple departing and arriving targets using runway xx. A skyhawk was also inbound and announced its position which was about 200 feet above my indicated altitude; same distance and approximate location from airport (2 miles north of the field at that point). I transmitted 'entering the left 45 for xx and looking for that inbound traffic' as I was entering the 45. As a precaution; I entered the downwind lower than pattern altitude to avoid potential conflict; by 300-500 feet. I called my left downwind for runway xx and about 5-10 seconds later the skyhawk also called 'left downwind for xx'. About that same time; I had him in sight; approximately 200 feet horizontal/slightly ahead and about 300 feet above my location near midfield on downwind I announced; 'skyhawk I have you in sight'. He replied; 'cherokee I don't have you in sight yet'. I responded with; 'skyhawk; you are on my 3 o'clock just above me'. The skyhawk responded with 'cherokee I have you in sight now'. I then requested; 'skyhawk if you could extend your downwind; I'll turn my base here shortly'. I do not recall if there was a reply from the skyhawk at that point. Landing was uneventful and I cleared the active as the skyhawk pilot was on short final.my low pattern entry evasion had prevented a potential incident. The skyhawk essentially overtook me on the downwind; appearing out of sequence (as I had announced my traffic position reports prior to his and was also at a lower altitude). The owner of the local flight school there in ZZZ approached me when I was leaving and mentioned 'I came in pretty low' on the pattern. I responded with; 'did you see the airplane right above me?' I don't recall his response after that; although he didn't return a friendly wave as I was leaving.the return flight was uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA28 pilot reported two aircraft entered the downwind leg at similar locations at non-towered airport. First aircraft flew a lower traffic pattern altitude as a precaution which prevented a NMAC.
Narrative: Pleasure flight with 3 souls on board. I was PIC. I announced my 10 mile and then 5 mile location for approach once in proximity to ZZZ. The airport was busy with multiple departing and arriving targets using Runway XX. A Skyhawk was also inbound and announced its position which was about 200 feet above my indicated altitude; same distance and approximate location from airport (2 miles north of the field at that point). I transmitted 'entering the left 45 for XX and looking for that inbound traffic' as I was entering the 45. As a precaution; I entered the downwind lower than pattern altitude to avoid potential conflict; by 300-500 feet. I called my left downwind for Runway XX and about 5-10 seconds later the Skyhawk also called 'left downwind for XX'. About that same time; I had him in sight; approximately 200 feet horizontal/slightly ahead and about 300 feet above my location near midfield on downwind I announced; 'Skyhawk I have you in sight'. He replied; 'Cherokee I don't have you in sight yet'. I responded with; 'Skyhawk; you are on my 3 o'clock just above me'. The Skyhawk responded with 'Cherokee I have you in sight now'. I then requested; 'Skyhawk if you could extend your downwind; I'll turn my base here shortly'. I do not recall if there was a reply from the Skyhawk at that point. Landing was uneventful and I cleared the active as the Skyhawk pilot was on short final.My low pattern entry evasion had prevented a potential incident. The Skyhawk essentially overtook me on the downwind; appearing out of sequence (as I had announced my traffic position reports prior to his and was also at a lower altitude). The owner of the local flight school there in ZZZ approached me when I was leaving and mentioned 'I came in pretty low' on the pattern. I responded with; 'did you see the airplane right above me?' I don't recall his response after that; although he didn't return a friendly wave as I was leaving.The return flight was uneventful.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.