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ARTCC radar controller points out an aircraft that needs to climb through TRACON's airspace. TRACON departure controller approves their request and allows an aircraft under his control to conflict with center's traffic.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 159409 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199010 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : n90 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar controller : developmental |
| Experience | controller non radar : 2 controller radar : 18 |
| ASRS Report | 159409 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 16 |
| ASRS Report | 159413 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 15600 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
I was taking training on a new sector(south) that is being xferred to our area (B). I was working medium large transport climbing to FL240 up J225. The aircraft was climbing slow and had to be pointed out to ny TRACON because it wouldn't top their airspace. They (N90) approved the pointout climbing. Approximately 1 min later the conflict went off and I saw mdt head at 17000'. Medium large transport was out of 16600' climbing. I issued an immediate descent to 16000' and a 360 degree heading to medium large transport. Medium large transport said he was out of 17000' descending to 16000'. I said, 'if you are still climbing out of 17000', continue the climb to FL240 and expedite through FL180. I issued the traffic at 12 O'clock, 3 mi at 17000'. I wasn't working. Medium large transport said he was in sight and that it was pretty close! At this point in time I don't know why N90 drove their traffic into mine when they had already approved our pointout with any reference to any other traffic. I might add that traffic was heavy at the time and the current procedure of climbing departures out of phl head-on into the departures out of ewr/lga over white is dangerous.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC RADAR CTLR POINTS OUT AN ACFT THAT NEEDS TO CLIMB THROUGH TRACON'S AIRSPACE. TRACON DEP CTLR APPROVES THEIR REQUEST AND ALLOWS AN ACFT UNDER HIS CTL TO CONFLICT WITH CENTER'S TRAFFIC.
Narrative: I WAS TAKING TRNING ON A NEW SECTOR(S) THAT IS BEING XFERRED TO OUR AREA (B). I WAS WORKING MLG CLBING TO FL240 UP J225. THE ACFT WAS CLBING SLOW AND HAD TO BE POINTED OUT TO NY TRACON BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T TOP THEIR AIRSPACE. THEY (N90) APPROVED THE POINTOUT CLBING. APPROX 1 MIN LATER THE CONFLICT WENT OFF AND I SAW MDT HEAD AT 17000'. MLG WAS OUT OF 16600' CLBING. I ISSUED AN IMMEDIATE DSNT TO 16000' AND A 360 DEG HDG TO MLG. MLG SAID HE WAS OUT OF 17000' DSNDING TO 16000'. I SAID, 'IF YOU ARE STILL CLBING OUT OF 17000', CONTINUE THE CLB TO FL240 AND EXPEDITE THROUGH FL180. I ISSUED THE TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK, 3 MI AT 17000'. I WASN'T WORKING. MLG SAID HE WAS IN SIGHT AND THAT IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE! AT THIS POINT IN TIME I DON'T KNOW WHY N90 DROVE THEIR TFC INTO MINE WHEN THEY HAD ALREADY APPROVED OUR POINTOUT WITH ANY REF TO ANY OTHER TFC. I MIGHT ADD THAT TFC WAS HEAVY AT THE TIME AND THE CURRENT PROC OF CLBING DEPS OUT OF PHL HEAD-ON INTO THE DEPS OUT OF EWR/LGA OVER WHITE IS DANGEROUS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.