Air carrier flight crew in doubt as to distance off shore and their compliance with federal aviation regulations as pertaining to overwater flight and required survival equipment.

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Attributes
ACN	159686
Time
Date	199010
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pfn
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zjx
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	159686
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We departed lax on flight lax-tpa red eye. About 400 mi east of lax, center cleared us to tpa direct. As we got near the panhandle of fl, it was difficult to determine at night where the gulf and land are. We were in the process of determining how far off shore we were when center on 127.45 asked if we had required equipment for overwater flight. We did not, and asked for radar vectors to keep us within 50 mi. We came left to 080 degrees to intercept pfn 130 degree right. I gather by the controller we slightly exceeded 50 mi, but corrected quickly.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR FLT CREW IN DOUBT AS TO DISTANCE OFF SHORE AND THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AVIATION REGS AS PERTAINING TO OVERWATER FLT AND REQUIRED SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT.

Narrative: WE DEPARTED LAX ON FLT LAX-TPA RED EYE. ABOUT 400 MI E OF LAX, CENTER CLRED US TO TPA DIRECT. AS WE GOT NEAR THE PANHANDLE OF FL, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE AT NIGHT WHERE THE GULF AND LAND ARE. WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING HOW FAR OFF SHORE WE WERE WHEN CENTER ON 127.45 ASKED IF WE HAD REQUIRED EQUIP FOR OVERWATER FLT. WE DID NOT, AND ASKED FOR RADAR VECTORS TO KEEP US WITHIN 50 MI. WE CAME LEFT TO 080 DEGS TO INTERCEPT PFN 130 DEG R. I GATHER BY THE CTLR WE SLIGHTLY EXCEEDED 50 MI, BUT CORRECTED QUICKLY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.