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Attributes | |
ACN | 159800 |
Time | |
Date | 199010 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yqt |
State Reference | ON |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 159800 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : regained aircraft control |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
En route to thunder bay the crew reviewed their computer WX the forecast showed no worse than 500 and 1. It currently was snowing. Upon reaching final center (minn) they advised the WX was 600' and 1/2 mi with thundershowers and snow. 5 mins later center advised the localizer just went out of service. We decided to hold at the NDB for the visibility to come up to 1 1/2 for the ncb approach. We had a half hour of holding fuel before we needed to go to the alternate. Throughout our 20 min hold approach kept advising us about current runway conditions. The final advisory at thunder bay was that a 140' wide strip of the runway was plowed as were txwys. Up to 2' drifts were outside the 140'. No braking action reports were available. The WX came up to 1400 overcast, and 1 1/2 mi visibility for the NDB approach. The runway was 6300' long. For far part 135 contaminated runways, our charts showed we needed 5300'. We were cleared for the NDB approach runway 7 at thunder bay ont. Winds were 030 degree with the wind at 18 gusting to 25 KTS. With no braking reports our SOP stated we were to assume the runway poor. Upon T/D at reference plus 5 KTS for wind we landed well before the thousand foot marker (had good visibility) started braking (have anti-skid but no thrust reverse). Decelerated to approximately 40 KTS but would not slow down. Half way down runway shut left engine down with anti-skid off and pneumatic down braking, began decelerating to approximately 25-30 KTS. 20' from end stopped 45 degree angle from centerline, had kicked a little left rudder. Still remained on runway and proceeded to taxi to parking. Tower had asked if we had gone off the end. We advised we had not but braking was nil.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATX LTT JET HAD BRAKING AND CTL PROBLEMS WHILE LNDG ON SNOW COVERED SURFACE AT YQT.
Narrative: ENRTE TO THUNDER BAY THE CREW REVIEWED THEIR COMPUTER WX THE FORECAST SHOWED NO WORSE THAN 500 AND 1. IT CURRENTLY WAS SNOWING. UPON REACHING FINAL CTR (MINN) THEY ADVISED THE WX WAS 600' AND 1/2 MI WITH THUNDERSHOWERS AND SNOW. 5 MINS LATER CTR ADVISED THE LOC JUST WENT OUT OF SVC. WE DECIDED TO HOLD AT THE NDB FOR THE VISIBILITY TO COME UP TO 1 1/2 FOR THE NCB APCH. WE HAD A HALF HOUR OF HOLDING FUEL BEFORE WE NEEDED TO GO TO THE ALTERNATE. THROUGHOUT OUR 20 MIN HOLD APCH KEPT ADVISING US ABOUT CURRENT RWY CONDITIONS. THE FINAL ADVISORY AT THUNDER BAY WAS THAT A 140' WIDE STRIP OF THE RWY WAS PLOWED AS WERE TXWYS. UP TO 2' DRIFTS WERE OUTSIDE THE 140'. NO BRAKING ACTION RPTS WERE AVAILABLE. THE WX CAME UP TO 1400 OVCST, AND 1 1/2 MI VISIBILITY FOR THE NDB APCH. THE RWY WAS 6300' LONG. FOR FAR PART 135 CONTAMINATED RWYS, OUR CHARTS SHOWED WE NEEDED 5300'. WE WERE CLRED FOR THE NDB APCH RWY 7 AT THUNDER BAY ONT. WINDS WERE 030 DEG WITH THE WIND AT 18 GUSTING TO 25 KTS. WITH NO BRAKING RPTS OUR SOP STATED WE WERE TO ASSUME THE RWY POOR. UPON T/D AT REF PLUS 5 KTS FOR WIND WE LANDED WELL BEFORE THE THOUSAND FOOT MARKER (HAD GOOD VISIBILITY) STARTED BRAKING (HAVE ANTI-SKID BUT NO THRUST REVERSE). DECELERATED TO APPROX 40 KTS BUT WOULD NOT SLOW DOWN. HALF WAY DOWN RWY SHUT L ENG DOWN WITH ANTI-SKID OFF AND PNEUMATIC DOWN BRAKING, BEGAN DECELERATING TO APPROX 25-30 KTS. 20' FROM END STOPPED 45 DEG ANGLE FROM CTRLINE, HAD KICKED A LITTLE L RUDDER. STILL REMAINED ON RWY AND PROCEEDED TO TAXI TO PARKING. TWR HAD ASKED IF WE HAD GONE OFF THE END. WE ADVISED WE HAD NOT BUT BRAKING WAS NIL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.