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B787 flight crew reported poor CRM when discussing the required fuel load prior to departing across the pacific.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1601030 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201812 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | LAX.Airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B787 Dreamliner Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 166 Flight Crew Total 14889 Flight Crew Type 566 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying Relief Pilot |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 153 Flight Crew Total 20150 Flight Crew Type 153 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Flight Deck / Cabin / Aircraft Event Other / Unknown Inflight Event / Encounter Fuel Issue |
Narrative:
During briefing in ops; I noticed the remf (remaining fuel) was 11.5 lbs. And 1:15 time which was lower than I had ever seen for this flight. It was release 2 and I learned that release 1 had had 13;000 something pounds and the captain had taken it down to 11.5. The relief pilots and I discussed this low number and when the captain arrived for briefing; we voiced our concerns. He said it was plenty of fuel and that he 'was a policy guy.' he also stated that he was not that familiar with pacific flying; as he had flown mostly over the atlantic. I told him that sydney usually slowed us down way out and the other pilots pointed out that we had weather that we most likely would have to deviate around. I needed to get to the aircraft to preflight and; as I left; I said I would like more fuel. When the captain arrived at the plane; he said he had added 5 minutes of fuel.halfway through the flight we were down 200 pounds. Then we were down 1;500 when we got into the sydney area. We were slowed by center and vectored 70 degrees left then 70 right on the way into marlin. When we touched down; I saw the gauge at 7.3 and as soon as we taxied off the runway; the fuel qty low EICAS came on. We didn't run the checklist; as we were already on the ground.the captain commented that the message came on just at the right time. During the de-brief he said he should have added 10 minutes rather than 5. I mentioned that his other 3 pilots had advocated for more fuel because we were familiar with sydney operations and he said; 'but I'm the captain.'if this situation comes up again; I will use the word 'unsafe' rather than 'concerned' or 'uncomfortable' and will not take the flight with such a low landing fuel. I feel it was an unsafe operation because we had boxed ourselves into zero options in a normal flight and ended up taxiing to the gate with a fuel qty low light on.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B787 flight crew reported poor CRM when discussing the required fuel load prior to departing across the Pacific.
Narrative: During briefing in Ops; I noticed the REMF (Remaining Fuel) was 11.5 lbs. and 1:15 time which was lower than I had ever seen for this flight. It was release 2 and I learned that release 1 had had 13;000 something LBS and the captain had taken it down to 11.5. The relief pilots and I discussed this low number and when the captain arrived for briefing; we voiced our concerns. He said it was plenty of fuel and that he 'was a policy guy.' He also stated that he was not that familiar with Pacific flying; as he had flown mostly over the Atlantic. I told him that Sydney usually slowed us down way out and the other pilots pointed out that we had weather that we most likely would have to deviate around. I needed to get to the aircraft to preflight and; as I left; I said I would like more fuel. When the captain arrived at the plane; he said he had added 5 minutes of fuel.Halfway through the flight we were down 200 LBS. Then we were down 1;500 when we got into the Sydney area. We were slowed by center and vectored 70 degrees left then 70 right on the way into Marlin. When we touched down; I saw the gauge at 7.3 and as soon as we taxied off the runway; the FUEL QTY LOW EICAS came on. We didn't run the checklist; as we were already on the ground.The captain commented that the message came on just at the right time. During the de-brief he said he should have added 10 minutes rather than 5. I mentioned that his other 3 pilots had advocated for more fuel because we were familiar with Sydney operations and he said; 'But I'm the captain.'If this situation comes up again; I will use the word 'unsafe' rather than 'concerned' or 'uncomfortable' and will not take the flight with such a low landing fuel. I feel it was an unsafe operation because we had boxed ourselves into zero options in a normal flight and ended up taxiing to the gate with a FUEL QTY LOW light on.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.