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Attributes | |
ACN | 1602786 |
Time | |
Date | 201812 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SJC.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | SID SJC2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Military 20 Air Traffic Control Non Radar 30 Air Traffic Control Radar 30 Air Traffic Control Supervisory 20 Flight Crew Last 90 Days 50 Flight Crew Total 9800 Flight Crew Type 350 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 100 Flight Crew Total 6000 Flight Crew Type 800 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
I inputted the SJC2 departure which has a transition point after moony of (pxn or ave). However; since neither of these points were listed on our pre departure clearance; I deleted pxn from the flight plan; in order to match the specific routing in the pre departure clearance. Upon departure; approaching moony the FMS gave us a smart turn solution back to sjc which we followed. At this point; departure gave us a heading of 120 degrees. In this turn; the controller stated something to the effect of 'it looks like your FMS turned you early.' then; something like; 'you do have moony in your flight plan; correct?' we did; so we replied 'yes.' shortly thereafter; the controller gave us a turn further left to 350 and a further climb. During this turn; the controller said something to the effect of; 'I have seen this situation before recently and we are working on fixing it.' then he mentioned something about submitting a NASA report; to which we agreed. The flight plan issuing authority did not include the transition point of (pxn or ave) when issuing the pre departure clearance. We followed the routing as it was given. It appeared to me this was not what the departure controller was expecting us to do. So; I recommend ensuring pxe or ave is specified in the clearances for all aircraft departing on the SJC2 departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Embraer aircraft flight crew reported confusion on the SJC2 SID; resulting in a deviation from clearance.
Narrative: I inputted the SJC2 Departure which has a transition point after MOONY of (PXN or AVE). However; since neither of these points were listed on our PDC; I deleted PXN from the flight plan; in order to match the specific routing in the PDC. Upon departure; approaching MOONY the FMS gave us a smart turn solution back to SJC which we followed. At this point; Departure gave us a heading of 120 degrees. In this turn; the Controller stated something to the effect of 'it looks like your FMS turned you early.' Then; something like; 'you do have MOONY in your flight plan; correct?' We did; so we replied 'yes.' Shortly thereafter; the controller gave us a turn further left to 350 and a further climb. During this turn; the Controller said something to the effect of; 'I have seen this situation before recently and we are working on fixing it.' Then he mentioned something about submitting a NASA Report; to which we agreed. The flight plan issuing authority did not include the transition point of (PXN or AVE) when issuing the PDC. We followed the routing as it was given. It appeared to me this was not what the Departure Controller was expecting us to do. So; I recommend ensuring PXE or AVE is specified in the clearances for all aircraft departing on the SJC2 Departure.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.