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Attributes | |
ACN | 1607030 |
Time | |
Date | 201812 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.ARTCC |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 412 Flight Crew Type 412 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Narrative:
On climb out; passing about 25;000 feet with a [temperature] of about -4; we picked up enough ice to almost completely obscure the forward window. I sent an ACARS flight ops report message to dispatch for 'heavy ice.' dispatch sent back a message that we needed to use the terms 'moderate' or 'severe' as 'heavy' was not a term used as a PIREP. Knowing 'severe' would have a major operational impact on our system; I wanted to make sure I was following the correct narrative; so I opened the aim I had downloaded in foreflight. 'Severe' icing was described as an accumulation rate that exceeded the ability of the aircraft's systems. As we had placed the engine and wing ice on; I had looked outside to see if we were getting the leading edge clear and it appears we were. To be honest; I'd never seen such icing buildup in [many] years of flying and while I thought we could handle it; I was worried about other aircraft with deicing boots or military aircraft with no wing deicing. This left me with the question; in reality; when would a 737NG ever experience the true definition of severe icing? If we did; could we tell? The side windows give very limited visibility to the wing and if we had ice buildup aft of the leading edge; could we tell from the cockpit? I had my doubts. What about our ice accumulation on the vertical and horizontal stabs? If our engine and wing icing could deal with this level of ice accumulation; would there be any level they couldn't handle? I ended up reporting 'moderate' icing since that seemed to correspond to the aim definition that we had. Still; for some reason the experience left me a little worried that something in our guidance may be missing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737NG Captain reported encountering icing conditions obscuring the forward window that raised concerns to a crew's ability to discriminate between icing intensity level definitions.
Narrative: On climb out; passing about 25;000 feet with a [temperature] of about -4; we picked up enough ice to almost completely obscure the forward window. I sent an ACARS Flight Ops report message to Dispatch for 'heavy ice.' Dispatch sent back a message that we needed to use the terms 'moderate' or 'severe' as 'heavy' was not a term used as a PIREP. Knowing 'severe' would have a major operational impact on our system; I wanted to make sure I was following the correct narrative; so I opened the AIM I had downloaded in ForeFlight. 'Severe' icing was described as an accumulation rate that exceeded the ability of the aircraft's systems. As we had placed the engine and wing ice on; I had looked outside to see if we were getting the leading edge clear and it appears we were. To be honest; I'd never seen such icing buildup in [many] years of flying and while I thought we could handle it; I was worried about other aircraft with deicing boots or military aircraft with no wing deicing. This left me with the question; in reality; when would a 737NG ever experience the true definition of severe icing? If we did; could we tell? The side windows give very limited visibility to the wing and if we had ice buildup aft of the leading edge; could we tell from the cockpit? I had my doubts. What about our ice accumulation on the vertical and horizontal stabs? If our engine and wing icing could deal with this level of ice accumulation; would there be any level they couldn't handle? I ended up reporting 'moderate' icing since that seemed to correspond to the AIM definition that we had. Still; for some reason the experience left me a little worried that something in our guidance may be missing.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.