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Attributes | |
ACN | 1610813 |
Time | |
Date | 201901 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.TRACON |
State Reference | US |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Stratotanker 135 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Fighter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 2 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was vectoring aircraft X for a RWY32 ILS approach into ZZZ from the south. He was too high to intercept the localizer below glideslope so I issued him a vector across the localizer (to the east) for descent. There was a flight of two [military fighters] in trail so I didn't want to use the west side of the localizer. The MVA on the east side of the localizer is 3900 so I issued a descent to 4000 and told him to expect a turn back towards the localizer in a few miles. Approximately 2-3 miles later I issued the turn back to the localizer with no response. I tried multiple times on different transmitters without a response. Aircraft X was now approaching a 5900 MVA and descending through 5500. I keyed up on guard frequency to attempt to issue the turn again which aircraft X responded to and advised that they could no longer hear me on the original frequency of [VHF]. Aircraft X executed their turn approximately 1 mile away from the 5900 MVA descending through 4500. I instructed aircraft X to expect vectors on guard or to change to my frequency [UHF] if able. Aircraft X came up on [UHF] and no further communication issues were noted. I could have kept aircraft X at 6000 until he began his turn back toward the localizer but I wanted to ensure he had enough time for descent to be below the glideslope. I was also running out of airspace and would have needed a point out with [center]; so I opted to start aircraft X's descent early. I also probably should have issued a low altitude alert on guard; but wanted to attempt the turn away from the MVA while I still had time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TRACON Controller reported no response from a military aircraft until using guard frequency. Flight was then switched to UHF and turned before entering a higher MVA.
Narrative: I was vectoring Aircraft X for a RWY32 ILS Approach into ZZZ from the south. He was too high to intercept the localizer below glideslope so I issued him a vector across the localizer (to the east) for descent. There was a flight of two [military fighters] in trail so I didn't want to use the west side of the localizer. The MVA on the east side of the localizer is 3900 so I issued a descent to 4000 and told him to expect a turn back towards the localizer in a few miles. Approximately 2-3 miles later I issued the turn back to the localizer with no response. I tried multiple times on different transmitters without a response. Aircraft X was now approaching a 5900 MVA and descending through 5500. I keyed up on guard frequency to attempt to issue the turn again which Aircraft X responded to and advised that they could no longer hear me on the original frequency of [VHF]. Aircraft X executed their turn approximately 1 mile away from the 5900 MVA descending through 4500. I instructed Aircraft X to expect vectors on guard or to change to my frequency [UHF] if able. Aircraft X came up on [UHF] and no further communication issues were noted. I could have kept Aircraft X at 6000 until he began his turn back toward the localizer but I wanted to ensure he had enough time for descent to be below the glideslope. I was also running out of airspace and would have needed a point out with [Center]; so I opted to start Aircraft X's descent early. I also probably should have issued a low altitude alert on guard; but wanted to attempt the turn away from the MVA while I still had time.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.