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Attributes | |
ACN | 1611015 |
Time | |
Date | 201901 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Landing |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 31 Flight Crew Total 236 Flight Crew Type 82 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Flight Deck / Cabin / Aircraft Event Other / Unknown Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
I was conducting a CFI single engine add on with a local dpe (designated pilot examiner). ZZZ was extremely busy and using lahso (land and hold short) rules for runway xx and runway xy. We were probably on the ground for close to thirty minutes before we were cleared to taxi to the run up area and another thirty minutes before we were cleared to takeoff. For the final maneuver of the check ride; the examiner asked for a power off 180 landing to runway xx. He was directing me throughout the entire maneuver (when to turn base; what airspeed to hold; how much bank to use; when to deploy flaps; etc.) and his instruction led me to a very high final approach altitude. I stated; 'we need to go around; we are too high.' I was scared we would break the hold short lines for runway xy. He replied with; 'we are not going around; I do not want to get stuck up here for another hour.' trusting in his judgement as a dpe and giving in to the politics of student pilot vs dpe; I continued to land and as I thought; we landed very far down the runway. We did land and stopped completely before runway xy. Once in contact with ground; they issued me a phone number for a possible pilot deviation. Myself and the dpe spoke to tower on the phone. I was put in a very difficult situation between trusting my inner judgment or trusting the advice of a seasoned dpe; who denied my request to be conservative/safe and simply go around. This experience has taught me that a pilot can always go around and I am truly sorry for not exercising that right. As I stated; I let the politics of 'the dpe is always right' cloud my inner judgment and was scared to act against him. I will use this experience to teach the importance of a 'go around' to future pilots; and to always lean on the safe side of flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 pilot reported a communication breakdown with a Designated Pilot Examiner resulted in an unstabilized approach to landing.
Narrative: I was conducting a CFI single engine add on with a local DPE (Designated Pilot Examiner). ZZZ was extremely busy and using LAHSO (Land and Hold Short) rules for RWY XX and RWY XY. We were probably on the ground for close to thirty minutes before we were cleared to taxi to the run up area and another thirty minutes before we were cleared to takeoff. For the final maneuver of the check ride; the examiner asked for a power off 180 landing to RWY XX. He was directing me throughout the entire maneuver (when to turn base; what airspeed to hold; how much bank to use; when to deploy flaps; etc.) and his instruction led me to a very high final approach altitude. I stated; 'We need to go around; we are too high.' I was scared we would break the hold short lines for RWY XY. He replied with; 'We are not going around; I do not want to get stuck up here for another hour.' Trusting in his judgement as a DPE and giving in to the politics of student pilot vs DPE; I continued to land and as I thought; we landed very far down the runway. We did land and stopped completely before RWY XY. Once in contact with Ground; they issued me a phone number for a possible pilot deviation. Myself and the DPE spoke to Tower on the phone. I was put in a very difficult situation between trusting my inner judgment or trusting the advice of a seasoned DPE; who denied my request to be conservative/safe and simply go around. This experience has taught me that a pilot can always go around and I am truly sorry for not exercising that right. As I stated; I let the politics of 'the DPE is always right' cloud my inner judgment and was scared to act against him. I will use this experience to teach the importance of a 'go around' to future pilots; and to always lean on the safe side of flight.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.