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Attributes | |
ACN | 1619424 |
Time | |
Date | 201902 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | LGA.Airport |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Vectors STAR Korry 4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Commercial |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
When we were handed to final approach; we were still descending and at 250 knots on the korry 4 arrival. Approach gave us a heading to intercept the localizer well outside of grene at 3000' for ILS 4. The frequency was cluttered. As we approached grene and the glideslope came alive; the pilot flying pointed it out and I attempted to contact approach before glideslope intercept. As the frequency was cluttered I was unable to make the request until the glideslope was almost full deflection at 3000'.once we got the clearance we; attempted to slow down for configuration while trying to catch the glideslope. At approximately 1000' MSL; the pilot flying decided that we were unstable and executed the go around procedure. It is worth noting that the same controller almost did the same thing to us on the second attempt for the approach. It is worth noting that the same controller almost did not clear us in time for our second attempt.being new york airspace; we are kept fast until the last moment; and when a controller loses track of where aircraft is in time and space; it places a disproportionate workload on the flight crew to try and ask for clearances in an environment that is a high workload for pilots as well as controllers.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier flight crew reported receiving a late approach clearance from ATC forcing them to conduct a missed approach.
Narrative: When we were handed to final Approach; we were still descending and at 250 knots on the Korry 4 Arrival. Approach gave us a heading to intercept the localizer well outside of GRENE at 3000' for ILS 4. The frequency was cluttered. As we approached GRENE and the glideslope came alive; the pilot flying pointed it out and I attempted to contact Approach before glideslope intercept. As the frequency was cluttered I was unable to make the request until the glideslope was almost full deflection at 3000'.Once we got the clearance we; attempted to slow down for configuration while trying to catch the glideslope. At approximately 1000' MSL; the pilot flying decided that we were unstable and executed the go around procedure. It is worth noting that the same controller almost did the same thing to us on the second attempt for the approach. It is worth noting that the same controller almost did not clear us in time for our second attempt.Being New York airspace; we are kept fast until the last moment; and when a controller loses track of where aircraft is in time and space; it places a disproportionate workload on the flight crew to try and ask for clearances in an environment that is a high workload for pilots as well as controllers.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.