Pilot of small aircraft on training flight at wrong altitude for direction of flight. CFI corrected ...

Attributes
ACN	162420
Time
Date	199011
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : 9k4
State Reference	MO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 4500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zkc
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 420 flight time type : 3
ASRS Report	162420
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student pilot : military
Events
Anomaly	other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified cockpit
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I was asked to fly with another instrument's student. The man was a military helicopter pilot working on a fixed wing commercial rating. After practicing pylon eights he asked if I wanted to fly to jefferson city so he could get two hours in. I said yes so we flew from 9k4 to jef. When asked if he had a sectional, he replied no but he had been on the route several times. I had also. We made it to jef with no problems, proceeded to do a touch and go and departed for 9k4. We were using our compass due to the fact that the dg was inoperative. I felt as if he turned to the southwest as opposed to the almost due west heading that should have been taken. I waited to see how much farther he would go and finally brought it to his attention. At first the captain tried to deny it, then also figured out that we were not on course. I had an idea of where we were but he did not. He was wearing a headset and I wasn't so I could not hear his xmissions but only the replies that came over the speaker. He still was not convinced of where we were, so he called jef control for a DF steer. They recommended contacting cou for a DF steer. My student started to climb from 2500' to 3500' MSL. By this time we had been switched over to kansas city center who was vectoring us to whiteman AFB (12 NM from 9k4). I told the student to climb to 4500' or descend to 3000'. This was in compliance to the hemispherical rule. The third time I was very stern and he did finally climb to 4500'. The problem is that we were on a 290 degree heading at 3500'. We were given a heading but not an altitude and nothing was said about our altitude contradicting the hemispherical rule. I should never have started a x-country west/O a sectional or proper preplanning. I should not have let him wear a headset when I didn't have one. But above all, though I am 19 and the student was approximately 35 and a pilot in the military, I should never have relinquished my control as PIC.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PLT OF SMA ON TRAINING FLT AT WRONG ALT FOR DIRECTION OF FLT. CFI CORRECTED TRNEE WHO WAS SOMEWHAT RELUCTANT TO CLIMB TO PROPER ALT.

Narrative: I WAS ASKED TO FLY WITH ANOTHER INSTR'S STUDENT. THE MAN WAS A MIL HELI PLT WORKING ON A FIXED WING COMMERCIAL RATING. AFTER PRACTICING PYLON EIGHTS HE ASKED IF I WANTED TO FLY TO JEFFERSON CITY SO HE COULD GET TWO HOURS IN. I SAID YES SO WE FLEW FROM 9K4 TO JEF. WHEN ASKED IF HE HAD A SECTIONAL, HE REPLIED NO BUT HE HAD BEEN ON THE RTE SEVERAL TIMES. I HAD ALSO. WE MADE IT TO JEF WITH NO PROBS, PROCEEDED TO DO A TOUCH AND GO AND DEPARTED FOR 9K4. WE WERE USING OUR COMPASS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE DG WAS INOP. I FELT AS IF HE TURNED TO THE SW AS OPPOSED TO THE ALMOST DUE W HDG THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN. I WAITED TO SEE HOW MUCH FARTHER HE WOULD GO AND FINALLY BROUGHT IT TO HIS ATTN. AT FIRST THE CAPT TRIED TO DENY IT, THEN ALSO FIGURED OUT THAT WE WERE NOT ON COURSE. I HAD AN IDEA OF WHERE WE WERE BUT HE DID NOT. HE WAS WEARING A HEADSET AND I WASN'T SO I COULD NOT HEAR HIS XMISSIONS BUT ONLY THE REPLIES THAT CAME OVER THE SPEAKER. HE STILL WAS NOT CONVINCED OF WHERE WE WERE, SO HE CALLED JEF CTL FOR A DF STEER. THEY RECOMMENDED CONTACTING COU FOR A DF STEER. MY STUDENT STARTED TO CLB FROM 2500' TO 3500' MSL. BY THIS TIME WE HAD BEEN SWITCHED OVER TO KANSAS CITY CTR WHO WAS VECTORING US TO WHITEMAN AFB (12 NM FROM 9K4). I TOLD THE STUDENT TO CLB TO 4500' OR DSND TO 3000'. THIS WAS IN COMPLIANCE TO THE HEMISPHERICAL RULE. THE THIRD TIME I WAS VERY STERN AND HE DID FINALLY CLB TO 4500'. THE PROB IS THAT WE WERE ON A 290 DEG HDG AT 3500'. WE WERE GIVEN A HDG BUT NOT AN ALT AND NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT OUR ALT CONTRADICTING THE HEMISPHERICAL RULE. I SHOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED A X-COUNTRY W/O A SECTIONAL OR PROPER PREPLANNING. I SHOULD NOT HAVE LET HIM WEAR A HEADSET WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE ONE. BUT ABOVE ALL, THOUGH I AM 19 AND THE STUDENT WAS APPROX 35 AND A PLT IN THE MIL, I SHOULD NEVER HAVE RELINQUISHED MY CTL AS PIC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Pilot of small aircraft on training flight at wrong altitude for direction of flight. CFI corrected trnee who was somewhat reluctant to climb to proper altitude.