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Attributes | |
ACN | 163984 |
Time | |
Date | 199011 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 320 |
ASRS Report | 163984 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
After landing 30R stl, tower advised to hold short 30L and contact ground. We acknowledged several times, however did not contact GNS as we understood to contact ground after crossing 30L. We held short of 30L. Did not attempt to cross, but stayed with tower until advised again to contact ground, which we did. Ground was upset that we had not switched over, although we were holding short with no conflict. This procedure is directly contrary to every other airport this captain operates into. Someday, someone will hear 'contact ground' and believe they area supposed to cross 30L and then contact ground on the other side, as is SOP elsewhere. Solution: stay with tower until clear of all active runways, like the rest of the airports.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW CONFUSED BY ATC COM PROC. UNABLE CALLBACK.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG 30R STL, TWR ADVISED TO HOLD SHORT 30L AND CONTACT GND. WE ACKNOWLEDGED SEVERAL TIMES, HOWEVER DID NOT CONTACT GNS AS WE UNDERSTOOD TO CONTACT GND AFTER XING 30L. WE HELD SHORT OF 30L. DID NOT ATTEMPT TO CROSS, BUT STAYED WITH TWR UNTIL ADVISED AGAIN TO CONTACT GND, WHICH WE DID. GND WAS UPSET THAT WE HAD NOT SWITCHED OVER, ALTHOUGH WE WERE HOLDING SHORT WITH NO CONFLICT. THIS PROC IS DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO EVERY OTHER ARPT THIS CAPT OPERATES INTO. SOMEDAY, SOMEONE WILL HEAR 'CONTACT GND' AND BELIEVE THEY AREA SUPPOSED TO CROSS 30L AND THEN CONTACT GND ON THE OTHER SIDE, AS IS SOP ELSEWHERE. SOLUTION: STAY WITH TWR UNTIL CLR OF ALL ACTIVE RWYS, LIKE THE REST OF THE ARPTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.