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Attributes | |
ACN | 1661060 |
Time | |
Date | 201907 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZLC.ARTCC |
State Reference | UT |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 36 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 10 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence Inflight Event / Encounter CFTT / CFIT |
Narrative:
We were training. Aircraft X was coming from another sector at 10;000 feet. Non-radar. Also; the data-block said the aircraft was deviating left for weather. Along the aircraft's filed route were areas of higher terrain at 11900 ft. And shortly further left was a block with an even higher MEA (minimum en-route altitude). The trainee called the sector and asked where the aircraft actually was and advised him of the high terrain areas in our sector's airspace along the route. The controller said he was updating his position and that he was fine. We called back a total of 3 other times to get an update on the aircraft. We were only [given] a position report one time and it seemed that the aircraft was at least in an area of terrain that was acceptable for his altitude. The last time we called them they stated the aircraft was doing a right 360 and that they were not going to hand us a deal and not to worry. The aircraft then showed up on radar in our airspace without an official hand off at 10;000 feet climbing to 12;000 feet; in an MEA area of 10;900 feet. The controller asked us to climb the traffic they had handed off to us to 13;000 feet to facilitate the aircraft's climb to 12;000 feet. I told the supervisor what was happening at the time and got no response; it was simply brushed off. Aircraft need to be above terrain when non radar. Weather is a factor and aircraft need to be high enough to allow for deviations. We called multiple times and were assured it was okay. There was no accurate report of position from the other sector controller even though we asked several times. The aircraft needed to be higher; that is all. Also; if a supervisor is told of a problem; action needs to be taken. We had tried sector to sector coordination and failed; we then turned to the (supervisor) who didn't take proper action the other area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A ZLC Center Controller reported they received a non-radar aircraft from another sector that was below the Minimum En-route Altitude.
Narrative: We were training. Aircraft X was coming from another sector at 10;000 feet. non-radar. Also; the data-block said the aircraft was deviating left for weather. Along the aircraft's filed route were areas of higher terrain at 11900 ft. and shortly further left was a block with an even higher MEA (Minimum En-route Altitude). The Trainee called the sector and asked where the aircraft actually was and advised him of the high terrain areas in our sector's airspace along the route. The Controller said he was updating his position and that he was fine. We called back a total of 3 other times to get an update on the aircraft. We were only [given] a position report one time and it seemed that the aircraft was at least in an area of terrain that was acceptable for his altitude. The last time we called them they stated the aircraft was doing a right 360 and that they were not going to hand us a deal and not to worry. The aircraft then showed up on radar in our airspace without an official hand off at 10;000 feet climbing to 12;000 feet; in an MEA area of 10;900 feet. The Controller asked us to climb the traffic they had handed off to us to 13;000 feet to facilitate the aircraft's climb to 12;000 feet. I told the Supervisor what was happening at the time and got no response; it was simply brushed off. Aircraft need to be above terrain when non radar. Weather is a factor and aircraft need to be high enough to allow for deviations. We called multiple times and were assured it was okay. There was no accurate report of position from the other sector Controller even though we asked several times. The aircraft needed to be higher; that is all. Also; if a Supervisor is told of a problem; action needs to be taken. We had tried sector to sector coordination and failed; we then turned to the (Supervisor) who didn't take proper action the other area.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.