Loupe 7 SID sjc, missed crossing restriction VOR.

Attributes
ACN	167711
Time
Date	199101
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sjc
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 15000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : oak tracon : ric
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6000
ASRS Report	167711
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure other

Narrative:

Departure control cleared us to delete a crossing restriction and climb to 12000'. A moment later we were cleared to 23000' direct to sjc VOR at our discretion and resume SID at VOR. The next controller told us we should have xed the VOR at 12000' which we did. We were climbing to cross next at or above 14000'. There was a definite communication break down between us and departure on what our altitude clearance was. Suggest a clearance of discretion at VOR altitude 230 maintain all other restriction or just discretion to VOR continue the SID. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information. Reporter stated he was the first officer flying and the first time into sjc airport. Both crew members did not think they did anything wrong, but when the controller questioned the climb above 12000', they weren't sure. This analyst believes and mentioned to the reporter that the controller that questioned their altitude was the center controller and not departure control. Suspect that departure controller issued the climb above 12000', but did not coordination with the next controller (center). No conflict occurred according to the reporter.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LOUPE 7 SID SJC, MISSED CROSSING RESTRICTION VOR.

Narrative: DEP CTL CLRED US TO DELETE A XING RESTRICTION AND CLB TO 12000'. A MOMENT LATER WE WERE CLRED TO 23000' DIRECT TO SJC VOR AT OUR DISCRETION AND RESUME SID AT VOR. THE NEXT CTLR TOLD US WE SHOULD HAVE XED THE VOR AT 12000' WHICH WE DID. WE WERE CLBING TO CROSS NEXT AT OR ABOVE 14000'. THERE WAS A DEFINITE COM BREAK DOWN BTWN US AND DEP ON WHAT OUR ALT CLRNC WAS. SUGGEST A CLRNC OF DISCRETION AT VOR ALT 230 MAINTAIN ALL OTHER RESTRICTION OR JUST DISCRETION TO VOR CONTINUE THE SID. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. RPTR STATED HE WAS THE F/O FLYING AND THE FIRST TIME INTO SJC ARPT. BOTH CREW MEMBERS DID NOT THINK THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT WHEN THE CTLR QUESTIONED THE CLB ABOVE 12000', THEY WEREN'T SURE. THIS ANALYST BELIEVES AND MENTIONED TO THE RPTR THAT THE CTLR THAT QUESTIONED THEIR ALT WAS THE CTR CTLR AND NOT DEP CTL. SUSPECT THAT DEP CTLR ISSUED THE CLB ABOVE 12000', BUT DID NOT COORD WITH THE NEXT CTLR (CTR). NO CONFLICT OCCURRED ACCORDING TO THE RPTR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.