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Attributes | |
ACN | 1677556 |
Time | |
Date | 201908 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZBW.ARTCC |
State Reference | NH |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR HAARP3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 155 Flight Crew Total 2741 Flight Crew Type 2230 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 215 Flight Crew Type 1001 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
On the HAARP3 RNAV arrival into lga; we were given a hold over rka. We were told to hold as published on the depicted radial and were given an efc time approximately 45 minutes from the present time. The captain and I had previously discussed how the holding leg length of 40 miles that was depicted on the chart seemed odd; but unfortunately didn't query the controller about it. Captain built the hold into the FMC and I confirmed it before captain executed it. We entered the hold and about 3/4 of the way out on the outbound leg we were asked by the controller where we were going. I replied that we were flying a 40 mile leg length because that was what we had depicted on our charts. We had a lengthy discussion with the controller as to where we had found this information and what we used for charts. We were instructed to reduce the leg length to 20 miles and subsequently; by a different controller; to 10 miles. We complied with both leg lengths. Another aircraft on the frequency overheard our discussion with boston center and noted that they had 40 mile legs for that hold depicted on their charts as well. After about an hour of holding; we decided to proceed to our alternate and were vectored out of the hold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier flight crew reported an erroneous Jeppesen chart depiction of the holding fix at RKA VOR on the HAARP3 arrival into LGA. It depicts 40NM instead of the correct distance of 10NM.
Narrative: On the HAARP3 RNAV Arrival into LGA; we were given a hold over RKA. We were told to hold as published on the depicted radial and were given an EFC time approximately 45 minutes from the present time. The Captain and I had previously discussed how the holding leg length of 40 miles that was depicted on the chart seemed odd; but unfortunately didn't query the Controller about it. Captain built the hold into the FMC and I confirmed it before Captain executed it. We entered the hold and about 3/4 of the way out on the outbound leg we were asked by the Controller where we were going. I replied that we were flying a 40 mile leg length because that was what we had depicted on our charts. We had a lengthy discussion with the Controller as to where we had found this information and what we used for charts. We were instructed to reduce the leg length to 20 miles and subsequently; by a different Controller; to 10 miles. We complied with both leg lengths. Another aircraft on the frequency overheard our discussion with Boston Center and noted that they had 40 mile legs for that hold depicted on their charts as well. After about an hour of holding; we decided to proceed to our alternate and were vectored out of the hold.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.