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Attributes | |
ACN | 1691457 |
Time | |
Date | 201910 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | MSP.Airport |
State Reference | MN |
Environment | |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | CVR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 286 Flight Crew Type 13500 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Procedural MEL Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Upon reviewing the release I noticed that the aircraft was carrying MEL 23-xx-xx ACARS system. As soon as we got the aircraft powered up and started loading the FMC I saw the datalink fail message and knew that MEL 23-xy-xx data link communication should also have been applied to this aircraft. While continuing my preflight checks I found the cvr would not perform its test. There is a note on MEL 23-xx-xx that says 'note: an inoperative ACARS system could cause a cvr fault. If the cvr and/or rips is inoperative; refer to MEL 23-xz cockpit voice recorder system (cvr).' with this in mind I called dispatch and had them patch me through to maintenance control. I advised the controller that the cpdlc was also inoperative and that we needed to apply MEL xx-xy to the aircraft. I then informed him about the cvr failing to test. He replied that we did not need to apply MEL 23-xz because it was already referenced to by MEL 23-xy. I did not agree with his interpretation. He consulted his 'lead' and they still came to the same conclusion. So; we just proceeded to apply MEL 23-xy for the cpdlc. The only reason I knew we needed that MEL is because I was involved in determining that we needed to apply this MEL to our simulators. After hanging up with maintenance control; the dispatcher knew I was not content with their decision not to apply MEL 23-xz and asked if I wanted him to get the chief pilot [company communications system] on the line; which we did. Ultimately after discussing the situation with [company communications system]; the chief agreed with my interpretation; but maintenance control still did not. I decided that I was not happy with that answer and that applying the MEL was the conservative course of action so I made a defect entry for the cvr in the logbook which necessitated the application of MEL 23-xz.the verbiage in MEL 23-xx needs to change to guide the user to the fact that if the datalink communications are also inoperative that MEL 23-xy should be applied. It is not an associated MEL (as it used to be) because there are datalink times when the ACARS may be inoperative; but the cpdlc is still functioning. This is not the first time I have had an aircraft where the datalink was not properly documented. The vast majority of line pilots do not have any idea that they need to apply a second MEL if the cpdlc is also inoperative. Maintenance needs some training about the intention of the note about the cvr in MEL 23-xx as well. If the cvr will not test; it must be considered inoperative. I do not believe the current wording is confusing; but clearly maintenance control is not interpreting it the same way.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 Captain reported a lack of consensus regarding the requirement to apply an additional MEL before departing.
Narrative: Upon reviewing the release I noticed that the aircraft was carrying MEL 23-XX-XX ACARS System. As soon as we got the aircraft powered up and started loading the FMC I saw the Datalink Fail message and knew that MEL 23-XY-XX DATA Link Communication should also have been applied to this aircraft. While continuing my preflight checks I found the CVR would not perform its test. There is a note on MEL 23-XX-XX that says 'Note: An inoperative ACARS system could cause a CVR fault. If the CVR and/or RIPS is inoperative; refer to MEL 23-XZ Cockpit Voice Recorder System (CVR).' With this in mind I called Dispatch and had them patch me through to Maintenance Control. I advised the Controller that the CPDLC was also inoperative and that we needed to apply MEL XX-XY to the aircraft. I then informed him about the CVR failing to test. He replied that we did not need to apply MEL 23-XZ because it was already referenced to by MEL 23-XY. I did not agree with his interpretation. He consulted his 'Lead' and they still came to the same conclusion. So; we just proceeded to apply MEL 23-XY for the CPDLC. The only reason I knew we needed that MEL is because I was involved in determining that we needed to apply this MEL to our simulators. After hanging up with Maintenance Control; the Dispatcher knew I was not content with their decision not to apply MEL 23-XZ and asked if I wanted him to get the Chief Pilot [Company Communications System] on the line; which we did. Ultimately after discussing the situation with [Company Communications System]; the Chief agreed with my interpretation; but Maintenance Control still did not. I decided that I was not happy with that answer and that applying the MEL was the conservative course of action so I made a defect entry for the CVR in the logbook which necessitated the application of MEL 23-XZ.The verbiage in MEL 23-XX needs to change to guide the user to the fact that if the Datalink Communications are also inoperative that MEL 23-XY should be applied. It is not an associated MEL (as it used to be) because there are Datalink times when the ACARS may be inoperative; but the CPDLC is still functioning. This is not the first time I have had an aircraft where the Datalink was not properly documented. The vast majority of line pilots do not have any idea that they need to apply a second MEL if the CPDLC is also inoperative. Maintenance needs some training about the intention of the note about the CVR in MEL 23-XX as well. If the CVR will not test; it must be considered inoperative. I do not believe the current wording is confusing; but clearly Maintenance Control is not interpreting it the same way.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.