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Attributes | |
ACN | 1700521 |
Time | |
Date | 201911 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.TRACON |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Instructor Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 85 Flight Crew Total 2700 Flight Crew Type 500 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Private |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 13 Flight Crew Total 227 Flight Crew Type 33 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types Inflight Event / Encounter CFTT / CFIT |
Narrative:
I was the instructor; flying with a student; performing a practice IFR approach into ZZZ ILS xx. The conditions at the time were VMC; with a small overcast patch along the coast; five miles west of ZZZ; with tops at approximately; 1;000 ft. We could clearly see the airport and were never in IMC. Upon hand off from approach I was told to expect visual for xxl; to which I asked if we could get a GPS practice approach for runway xx. I was told they were unable due to the use of runway xy. I obtained the ATIS; contacted ATC and asked if we could do the ILS xy. To which ATC responded this was on request. Subsequently we were vectored for what I thought was a practice approach to ILS xy. We were cleared to descend to 2;400; heading 270. Then heading of 300. Then heading of 055; 2;400 ft. Until established; cleared for the ILS xy. Approximately 45 seconds after initial clearance; we were told we could turn 090. I acknowledged. 40 seconds later; ATC asks if we're in the turn. I acknowledge we are in the turn. 30 seconds later; ATC asks us to check our altitude; and states the MVA is 3;800 ft. I realized immediately that ATC thought this was a hazard and we were flying toward the mountainous terrain; so I promptly responded; explaining that we were VFR and had the field in sight. To which ATC responded; IFR cancellation received no separation services provided; contact tower. We continued to join the localizer and followed the ILS (continuing the practice approach) into runway xy and landed. I called the phone number provided for a possible pilot deviation. I was told I was on an IFR flight plan. I explained that this was an instruction session and this was supposed to be a VFR practice approach. The controller stated there may have been a miscommunication. In my attempt to allow the student some leeway in order to learn; we crossed the ILS xy localizer and we were correcting to establish. I knew once the controller explained the MVA altitude that I needed to clarify with him that we were VMC and had the field in sight in order to alleviate any stress upon the controller. Furthermore; we were conducting this approach with the autopilot. Upon debriefing with the student; it was clear automation was a factor in the overall completion of the turn from a heading of 300 to an overall heading of 090; a total 150 degrees.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 Instructor reported that a miscommunication caused ATC to believe that the flight was IFR and below the sector MVA.
Narrative: I was the instructor; flying with a student; performing a practice IFR approach into ZZZ ILS XX. The conditions at the time were VMC; with a small overcast patch along the coast; five miles west of ZZZ; with tops at approximately; 1;000 ft. We could clearly see the airport and were never in IMC. Upon hand off from approach I was told to expect visual for XXL; to which I asked if we could get a GPS practice approach for Runway XX. I was told they were unable due to the use of Runway XY. I obtained the ATIS; contacted ATC and asked if we could do the ILS XY. To which ATC responded this was on request. Subsequently we were vectored for what I thought was a practice approach to ILS XY. We were cleared to descend to 2;400; heading 270. Then heading of 300. Then heading of 055; 2;400 ft. until established; cleared for the ILS XY. Approximately 45 seconds after initial clearance; we were told we could turn 090. I acknowledged. 40 seconds later; ATC asks if we're in the turn. I acknowledge we are in the turn. 30 seconds later; ATC asks us to check our altitude; and states the MVA is 3;800 ft. I realized immediately that ATC thought this was a hazard and we were flying toward the mountainous terrain; so I promptly responded; explaining that we were VFR and had the field in sight. To which ATC responded; IFR cancellation received no separation services provided; contact Tower. We continued to join the localizer and followed the ILS (continuing the practice approach) into Runway XY and landed. I called the phone number provided for a possible pilot deviation. I was told I was on an IFR flight plan. I explained that this was an instruction session and this was supposed to be a VFR practice approach. The Controller stated there may have been a miscommunication. In my attempt to allow the student some leeway in order to learn; we crossed the ILS XY localizer and we were correcting to establish. I knew once the Controller explained the MVA altitude that I needed to clarify with him that we were VMC and had the field in sight in order to alleviate any stress upon the Controller. Furthermore; we were conducting this approach with the autopilot. Upon debriefing with the student; it was clear automation was a factor in the overall completion of the turn from a heading of 300 to an overall heading of 090; a total 150 degrees.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.