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Attributes | |
ACN | 1742557 |
Time | |
Date | 202004 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | D01.TRACON |
State Reference | CO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 170/175 ER/LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Total 4703 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
While at altitude south of gjt; aircraft X was cleared direct to cesba to maintain 12;000 ft. Cleared for the visual approach. I was pilot flying. We started the descent after cesba and shortly after were called by ATC notifying us of a possible low altitude alert. I immediately stopped my descent and started a climb. The captain responded to the ATC call and confirmed that we were cleared for the visual approach. The captain and I confirmed that we were past the fix and cleared for the visual approach so I again initiated the descent. Because we were now higher than I wanted to be for my location on the approach; I called for the gear down early to aid in the descent. Once turning on final; I configured the aircraft and was stable and on speed by 1;000 ft. The rest of the approach and landing was uneventful. Once on the ground I called ATC and cancelled our IFR flight plan with them.during the flight the captain had mentioned to me that there was a tendency for ATC to leave us high and dump us for a northwest approach into gjt. Because of our discussion and talking about contingencies; I believe that I was more prepared for the possibility of this happening. I feel that we had very good situational awareness; and it was evident that ATC was possibly a little slow in allowing us to descend. I do not believe that we descended below 12;000 ft. Before cesba. Because of the discussion during the flight about the tendency of being left at a high altitude; I feel that we had very good situational awareness. I am very appreciative of the captain for mentioning this and we had talked about contingencies including a go around if we were not stable and on speed and configured by 1;000 ft. There may have been confusion between ATC and us with being cleared for the visual approach versus the RNAV runway 29; but either way; we had not yet descended to 8;500 ft. Which would've been the lowest altitude from cesba to hansu on the RNAV runway 29 approach. In retrospect; maybe we could've made another call back to ATC to confirm our understood clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Flight crew reported ATC advised them of a possible low altitude alert even though they complied with the assigned crossing restriction in their Visual Approach clearance.
Narrative: While at altitude south of GJT; Aircraft X was cleared direct to CESBA to maintain 12;000 ft. cleared for the Visual Approach. I was Pilot Flying. We started the descent after CESBA and shortly after were called by ATC notifying us of a possible low altitude alert. I immediately stopped my descent and started a climb. The Captain responded to the ATC call and confirmed that we were cleared for the Visual Approach. The Captain and I confirmed that we were past the fix and cleared for the Visual Approach so I again initiated the descent. Because we were now higher than I wanted to be for my location on the approach; I called for the gear down early to aid in the descent. Once turning on final; I configured the aircraft and was stable and on speed by 1;000 ft. The rest of the approach and landing was uneventful. Once on the ground I called ATC and cancelled our IFR flight plan with them.During the flight the Captain had mentioned to me that there was a tendency for ATC to leave us high and dump us for a northwest approach into GJT. Because of our discussion and talking about contingencies; I believe that I was more prepared for the possibility of this happening. I feel that we had very good situational awareness; and it was evident that ATC was possibly a little slow in allowing us to descend. I do not believe that we descended below 12;000 ft. before CESBA. Because of the discussion during the flight about the tendency of being left at a high altitude; I feel that we had very good situational awareness. I am very appreciative of the Captain for mentioning this and we had talked about contingencies including a go around if we were not stable and on speed and configured by 1;000 ft. There may have been confusion between ATC and us with being cleared for the Visual Approach versus the RNAV Runway 29; but either way; we had not yet descended to 8;500 ft. which would've been the lowest altitude from CESBA to HANSU on the RNAV Runway 29 Approach. In retrospect; maybe we could've made another call back to ATC to confirm our understood clearance.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.