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Attributes | |
ACN | 174630 |
Time | |
Date | 199104 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gcn |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7800 msl bound upper : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : gcn artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 330 flight time type : 83 |
ASRS Report | 174630 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was cleared as filed to the prescott airport. I departed on an INS flight plan off runway 21. The non standard departure procedure for gcn states: 'climb to 8500 in gcn VOR holding pattern prior to proceeding on course.' I was proceeded to do exactly this. The tower queried our aircraft and asked what we were doing. The check pilot replied that we were complying with the departure procedure. The tower stated, 'roger,' in a disturbed fashion. 1 aircraft claimed to have to offset to the right because of this. The tower came back shortly thereafter (by this time I had crossed over gcn VOR and was entering the hold) and said the departure procedure was only applicable to runway 03 takeoffs. I said roger and told tower that we will proceed on course for V257. This was all that occurred. I think that if the departure procedure for gcn is only applicable to runway 3, then it should explicitly state so. It does not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEP PROC CONFUSION FOR TRAINING SMA ON INS CHECKRIDE OUT OF GCN.
Narrative: I WAS CLRED AS FILED TO THE PRESCOTT ARPT. I DEPARTED ON AN INS FLT PLAN OFF RWY 21. THE NON STANDARD DEP PROC FOR GCN STATES: 'CLB TO 8500 IN GCN VOR HOLDING PATTERN PRIOR TO PROCEEDING ON COURSE.' I WAS PROCEEDED TO DO EXACTLY THIS. THE TWR QUERIED OUR ACFT AND ASKED WHAT WE WERE DOING. THE CHK PLT REPLIED THAT WE WERE COMPLYING WITH THE DEP PROC. THE TWR STATED, 'ROGER,' IN A DISTURBED FASHION. 1 ACFT CLAIMED TO HAVE TO OFFSET TO THE RIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS. THE TWR CAME BACK SHORTLY THEREAFTER (BY THIS TIME I HAD CROSSED OVER GCN VOR AND WAS ENTERING THE HOLD) AND SAID THE DEP PROC WAS ONLY APPLICABLE TO RWY 03 TKOFS. I SAID ROGER AND TOLD TWR THAT WE WILL PROCEED ON COURSE FOR V257. THIS WAS ALL THAT OCCURRED. I THINK THAT IF THE DEP PROC FOR GCN IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO RWY 3, THEN IT SHOULD EXPLICITLY STATE SO. IT DOES NOT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.