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Attributes | |
ACN | 1746999 |
Time | |
Date | 202006 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZJX.ARTCC |
State Reference | FL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
While enroute; were given multiple reroutes due to enroute weather etc. Multiple fixes we were given were not in FMS database or jepp efb app. We entered incorrect fix spelling and had a valid fix that was not correct. Multiple times on this trip and in the past ATC tries to issue direct to routing that would take us beyond 50 NM. I was monitoring with terrain map on mfd; I/pm could not reference jepp FD pro on efb due to no current position being displayed. First officer was PF; we were given a new clearance due to weather. While trying to build reroute we encountered multiple fixes that we were unable to locate on FMS database or jeppesen charts. This caused much confusion and re-query to ATC asking for spelling and clarification. We also queried ATC reminding them of our need to stay within 50 NM. While trying to work through the problems and update dispatch through ACARS of routing; we received dispatch message telling us of ATC routing changes could take us too far off shore.after entering direct to baake to start our turn to the first fix; while trying to sort out the error fixes we alerted ZJX center of an incorrect route. We were corrected and given correct routing. Bakke and rozie I believe were old fixes removed by newest cycle.what was the cause of the discrepancy? Were these fixes removed and ATC did not have the update? FD pro seems to be our best reference for 50 NM limit information. It is not helpful if lacking ownship position to reference when given a direct to; over water. The terrain display function is limited in its display of information. Suggestion not to enter direct to first fix as it could be incorrect as in this case; since the correct fix is not in our charts. I have made this trip multiple times; this is the first time it has been this difficult. I can only wonder if ATC staffing levels were a factor? I think nearly every trip to srq; tpa; eyw and back ATC tries to give us routing > 50 NM from shore.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier flight crew reported getting confusing intersections and routings they were not familiar with and were also concerned about being routed more than 50 miles off shore by ZJX Center; which reportedly does this often.
Narrative: While enroute; were given multiple reroutes due to enroute weather etc. Multiple fixes we were given were not in FMS Database or Jepp EFB app. We entered incorrect fix spelling and had a valid fix that was not correct. Multiple times on this trip and in the past ATC tries to issue direct to routing that would take us beyond 50 NM. I was monitoring with terrain map on MFD; I/PM could not reference Jepp FD PRO on EFB due to no current position being displayed. FO was PF; we were given a new clearance due to weather. While trying to build reroute we encountered multiple fixes that we were unable to locate on FMS database or Jeppesen charts. This caused much confusion and re-query to ATC asking for spelling and clarification. We also queried ATC reminding them of our need to stay within 50 NM. While trying to work through the problems and update Dispatch through ACARS of routing; we received dispatch message telling us of ATC routing changes could take us too far off shore.After entering direct to BAAKE to start our turn to the first fix; while trying to sort out the error fixes we alerted ZJX Center of an incorrect route. We were corrected and given correct routing. BAKKE and ROZIE I believe were old fixes removed by newest cycle.What was the cause of the discrepancy? Were these fixes removed and ATC did not have the update? FD Pro seems to be our best reference for 50 NM limit information. It is not helpful if lacking ownship position to reference when given a direct to; over water. The terrain display function is limited in its display of information. Suggestion not to enter direct to first fix as it could be incorrect as in this case; since the correct fix is not in our charts. I have made this trip multiple times; this is the first time it has been this difficult. I can only wonder if ATC staffing levels were a factor? I think nearly every trip to SRQ; TPA; EYW and back ATC tries to give us routing > 50 NM from shore.
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