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Attributes | |
ACN | 177702 |
Time | |
Date | 199105 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : slc |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v32 |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 17900 flight time type : 110 |
ASRS Report | 177702 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Monday morning I was doing some mild aerobatics. Normally I use an area just north of farmington and up beside the mountains. This keeps me clear of houses and there is little traffic. On the flight monday, I drifted too far south and was under the north edge of V32. When I realized it I proceeded back to the north. I later heard from a friend that an army helicopter reported to slc approach that there was a red biplane doing aerobatics and being a hazard to the arwys. Problems: 1) the TCA left us with no practice area. We can't even go over the mountains and work on the east side. 2) the mountains to the east and TCA to the west and over the top leaves us with a narrow corridor n-s to fly in. 3) approach steers their VFR traffic outside their TCA area and into the uncontrolled corridor. 4) the local pilots won't call approach because we get hassled and open ourselves to a violation. (When you call and ask for traffic advisory, they give you a squawk, a heading and a hard altitude, and all you asked for was traffic.) correct the situation: 1) approach might try a corridor within the TCA airspace. 2) designate a practice area for training and aerobatics that doesn't require a x-country to get to. 3) open up a way to go east over the mountains west/O calling for a clearance. 4) requiring all controllers to be pilots might change a lot of attitudes. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter states the airspace around slc has become very limited for practice due to the TCA. The mountains additionally limit areas that can be used. Since he is also an air carrier pilot, he does not wish to make his suggestions to the FAA directly. There has been no follow-up action.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BIPLANE DOING AEROBATICS DRIFTS INTO AIRWAY AIRSPACE.
Narrative: MONDAY MORNING I WAS DOING SOME MILD AEROBATICS. NORMALLY I USE AN AREA JUST N OF FARMINGTON AND UP BESIDE THE MOUNTAINS. THIS KEEPS ME CLR OF HOUSES AND THERE IS LITTLE TFC. ON THE FLT MONDAY, I DRIFTED TOO FAR S AND WAS UNDER THE N EDGE OF V32. WHEN I REALIZED IT I PROCEEDED BACK TO THE N. I LATER HEARD FROM A FRIEND THAT AN ARMY HELI RPTED TO SLC APCH THAT THERE WAS A RED BIPLANE DOING AEROBATICS AND BEING A HAZARD TO THE ARWYS. PROBS: 1) THE TCA LEFT US WITH NO PRACTICE AREA. WE CAN'T EVEN GO OVER THE MOUNTAINS AND WORK ON THE E SIDE. 2) THE MOUNTAINS TO THE E AND TCA TO THE W AND OVER THE TOP LEAVES US WITH A NARROW CORRIDOR N-S TO FLY IN. 3) APCH STEERS THEIR VFR TFC OUTSIDE THEIR TCA AREA AND INTO THE UNCONTROLLED CORRIDOR. 4) THE LCL PLTS WON'T CALL APCH BECAUSE WE GET HASSLED AND OPEN OURSELVES TO A VIOLATION. (WHEN YOU CALL AND ASK FOR TFC ADVISORY, THEY GIVE YOU A SQUAWK, A HDG AND A HARD ALT, AND ALL YOU ASKED FOR WAS TFC.) CORRECT THE SITUATION: 1) APCH MIGHT TRY A CORRIDOR WITHIN THE TCA AIRSPACE. 2) DESIGNATE A PRACTICE AREA FOR TRNING AND AEROBATICS THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A X-COUNTRY TO GET TO. 3) OPEN UP A WAY TO GO E OVER THE MOUNTAINS W/O CALLING FOR A CLRNC. 4) REQUIRING ALL CTLRS TO BE PLTS MIGHT CHANGE A LOT OF ATTITUDES. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR STATES THE AIRSPACE AROUND SLC HAS BECOME VERY LIMITED FOR PRACTICE DUE TO THE TCA. THE MOUNTAINS ADDITIONALLY LIMIT AREAS THAT CAN BE USED. SINCE HE IS ALSO AN ACR PLT, HE DOES NOT WISH TO MAKE HIS SUGGESTIONS TO THE FAA DIRECTLY. THERE HAS BEEN NO FOLLOW-UP ACTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.