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Attributes | |
ACN | 180838 |
Time | |
Date | 199106 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 180838 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The event was a rough landing. We were flying the second leg of a 2 day sequence. This was the first time we had flown together. The copilot had recently finished IOE and was new to the aircraft and heavy turbo jets. Based upon the way the copilot handled herself on the first leg and the way she hand-flew the aircraft to cruise altitude, I was lulled into complacency re: her flying abilities. With a little verbal help, the visibility approach was stable at 500' (on glide path, on speed, engines spooled up). Over the threshold, I felt more power was needed and said 'add a little power' twice. Copilot did not respond, did not add power, did not flare and made a rough landing. Hindsight tells me I should have had my hands on the controls and behind the thrust levers. Also, I believe our training of inexperienced first officer's new to large jets is inadequate. Much time is spent in training on aircraft systems, SOP, emergency procedures, MCP, FMC, etc, which is good. Too little time is spent on basic physical flying skills with 0 training in a real aircraft until the IOE. The most difficult thing for me to handle as captain is the copilot's inability to fly the last 50' properly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INEXPERIENCED FO MAKES HARD LNDG AT NIGHT ON ACR MLG.
Narrative: THE EVENT WAS A ROUGH LNDG. WE WERE FLYING THE SECOND LEG OF A 2 DAY SEQUENCE. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD FLOWN TOGETHER. THE COPLT HAD RECENTLY FINISHED IOE AND WAS NEW TO THE ACFT AND HVY TURBO JETS. BASED UPON THE WAY THE COPLT HANDLED HERSELF ON THE FIRST LEG AND THE WAY SHE HAND-FLEW THE ACFT TO CRUISE ALT, I WAS LULLED INTO COMPLACENCY RE: HER FLYING ABILITIES. WITH A LITTLE VERBAL HELP, THE VIS APCH WAS STABLE AT 500' (ON GLIDE PATH, ON SPD, ENGS SPOOLED UP). OVER THE THRESHOLD, I FELT MORE PWR WAS NEEDED AND SAID 'ADD A LITTLE PWR' TWICE. COPLT DID NOT RESPOND, DID NOT ADD PWR, DID NOT FLARE AND MADE A ROUGH LNDG. HINDSIGHT TELLS ME I SHOULD HAVE HAD MY HANDS ON THE CTLS AND BEHIND THE THRUST LEVERS. ALSO, I BELIEVE OUR TRNING OF INEXPERIENCED F/O'S NEW TO LARGE JETS IS INADEQUATE. MUCH TIME IS SPENT IN TRNING ON ACFT SYSTEMS, SOP, EMER PROCS, MCP, FMC, ETC, WHICH IS GOOD. TOO LITTLE TIME IS SPENT ON BASIC PHYSICAL FLYING SKILLS WITH 0 TRNING IN A REAL ACFT UNTIL THE IOE. THE MOST DIFFICULT THING FOR ME TO HANDLE AS CAPT IS THE COPLT'S INABILITY TO FLY THE LAST 50' PROPERLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.