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Attributes | |
ACN | 182964 |
Time | |
Date | 199106 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sel |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sel |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time total : 17000 |
ASRS Report | 182964 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On (golf 510?) tracking inbound 300R sel buildup in vicinity of VOR at approximately 4 DME and altitude approximately 10000 ft, heading (not sure) 100 to intercept G597 (086 right sel), heard call XXX turn right to 150. I, the first officer was flying and began right turn but stopped by captain who stated the call was for xxy behind us and not for XXX. Second call in much higher pitch XXX to turn to 170 degree. I began a steeper turn this time but again was stopped by captain saying it was not for us. Korean controller advised us of violation (not sure if he mentioned P-73B. At that time, I thought the DME read 3-5 NM and altitude between 10000-11000 ft. I thought the controller was calling us partly account other flight was probably not in a position to make a right turn 150-170 degree but I did not know what the reason was, ie, conflicting traffic or other. Later upon questioning so he said he was on interphone to flight attendant. International relief (4TH) pilot said he was straightening out headset at time of incident. The flight plan had stated possible conflict with xxy but we were over one hour late. Later we overlayed distance sel VOR to P-73B and measured 6 NM. We do not believe we violated prohibited area. Controller did not use XXX. Xxy may have answered both calls. In view of the seriousness of P-73B/P-73A controller might have changed second call and/or both same company flts turn right to 170 but not to just raise pitch and repeat instructions that were part of confusion in the first place. Not sure if violations is for airspace or not turning to headings. We were stuck in manila for 10 days together and our communication C/left/right left something to be desired. Also found it very difficult to suggest/advocate to this captain and so. Captain was a line check airman (never violated). So was over age 60 ex-widebody transport captain and I'm an ATP first officer 27 yrs with approximately 17000 hours (never violated).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB FLT ON APCH TO SEL MAY HAVE ENTERED RESTRICTED AREA.
Narrative: ON (GOLF 510?) TRACKING INBOUND 300R SEL BUILDUP IN VICINITY OF VOR AT APPROX 4 DME AND ALT APPROX 10000 FT, HDG (NOT SURE) 100 TO INTERCEPT G597 (086 R SEL), HEARD CALL XXX TURN R TO 150. I, THE FO WAS FLYING AND BEGAN R TURN BUT STOPPED BY CAPT WHO STATED THE CALL WAS FOR XXY BEHIND US AND NOT FOR XXX. SECOND CALL IN MUCH HIGHER PITCH XXX TO TURN TO 170 DEG. I BEGAN A STEEPER TURN THIS TIME BUT AGAIN WAS STOPPED BY CAPT SAYING IT WAS NOT FOR US. KOREAN CTLR ADVISED US OF VIOLATION (NOT SURE IF HE MENTIONED P-73B. AT THAT TIME, I THOUGHT THE DME READ 3-5 NM AND ALT BTWN 10000-11000 FT. I THOUGHT THE CTLR WAS CALLING US PARTLY ACCOUNT OTHER FLT WAS PROBABLY NOT IN A POS TO MAKE A R TURN 150-170 DEG BUT I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE REASON WAS, IE, CONFLICTING TFC OR OTHER. LATER UPON QUESTIONING SO HE SAID HE WAS ON INTERPHONE TO FLT ATTENDANT. INTL RELIEF (4TH) PLT SAID HE WAS STRAIGHTENING OUT HEADSET AT TIME OF INCIDENT. THE FLT PLAN HAD STATED POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH XXY BUT WE WERE OVER ONE HR LATE. LATER WE OVERLAYED DISTANCE SEL VOR TO P-73B AND MEASURED 6 NM. WE DO NOT BELIEVE WE VIOLATED PROHIBITED AREA. CTLR DID NOT USE XXX. XXY MAY HAVE ANSWERED BOTH CALLS. IN VIEW OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF P-73B/P-73A CTLR MIGHT HAVE CHANGED SECOND CALL AND/OR BOTH SAME COMPANY FLTS TURN R TO 170 BUT NOT TO JUST RAISE PITCH AND REPEAT INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE PART OF CONFUSION IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOT SURE IF VIOLATIONS IS FOR AIRSPACE OR NOT TURNING TO HDGS. WE WERE STUCK IN MANILA FOR 10 DAYS TOGETHER AND OUR COM C/L/R LEFT SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED. ALSO FOUND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SUGGEST/ADVOCATE TO THIS CAPT AND SO. CAPT WAS A LINE CHK AIRMAN (NEVER VIOLATED). SO WAS OVER AGE 60 EX-WDB CAPT AND I'M AN ATP FO 27 YRS WITH APPROX 17000 HRS (NEVER VIOLATED).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.