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Attributes | |
ACN | 184580 |
Time | |
Date | 199107 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : abe |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
ASRS Report | 184850 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
In 18 yrs of IFR flying this was my first experience of center 'forgetting' about us. We had been cruising at FL330 to join the milton 6 arrival into lga (clear-lga). The captain and I heard several aircraft talking to center, but on those transmissions didn't hear center replying. There was little chatter in the cockpit, so we're convinced we didn't miss a frequency handoff. After passing marre intersection where you usually get FL180, we became suspicious. About 23 east of abe, I looked up a frequency for new york center (118.45) on a low altitude chart. They handed me to 125.32. We ended up going 15 mins westbound before they could resequence us into the flow. At no time was there any questions about any loss of communication, etc. It was more an attitude of 'where'd this flight come from?' if we'd missed a frequency handoff, they'll normally contact our dispatcher, and have him send us an ACARS message. We never got anything over the ACARS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR 'FORGOTTEN' BY CENTER.
Narrative: IN 18 YRS OF IFR FLYING THIS WAS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE OF CENTER 'FORGETTING' ABOUT US. WE HAD BEEN CRUISING AT FL330 TO JOIN THE MILTON 6 ARR INTO LGA (CLR-LGA). THE CAPT AND I HEARD SEVERAL ACFT TALKING TO CENTER, BUT ON THOSE TRANSMISSIONS DIDN'T HEAR CENTER REPLYING. THERE WAS LITTLE CHATTER IN THE COCKPIT, SO WE'RE CONVINCED WE DIDN'T MISS A FREQ HDOF. AFTER PASSING MARRE INTXN WHERE YOU USUALLY GET FL180, WE BECAME SUSPICIOUS. ABOUT 23 E OF ABE, I LOOKED UP A FREQ FOR NEW YORK CENTER (118.45) ON A LOW ALT CHART. THEY HANDED ME TO 125.32. WE ENDED UP GOING 15 MINS WBND BEFORE THEY COULD RESEQUENCE US INTO THE FLOW. AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY LOSS OF COM, ETC. IT WAS MORE AN ATTITUDE OF 'WHERE'D THIS FLT COME FROM?' IF WE'D MISSED A FREQ HDOF, THEY'LL NORMALLY CONTACT OUR DISPATCHER, AND HAVE HIM SEND US AN ACARS MESSAGE. WE NEVER GOT ANYTHING OVER THE ACARS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.