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Attributes | |
ACN | 185626 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yyz |
State Reference | ON |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ggg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 27 |
ASRS Report | 185626 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer observation : company check pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20250 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 185615 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On the previous day, check airman and myself discovered canadian operations and operation in canadian airspace. On departure the next morning, ground control cleared us to runway 33 via R4 to victor taxiway. There were several aircraft ahead of us departing from where victor meets runway 33 which is extremely near the end of runway 33. Looking at our charts we see runway 33 is 11050 ft long so safety was never a consideration. When cleared for takeoff, I turned long so safety was never a consideration. When cleared for takeoff, I turned the aircraft very wide from victor towards the approach end of runway 33 to take maximum advantage of runway length. The takeoff was uneventful. The aircraft was very light, about 107000 pounds, the remainder of the flight was uneventful. Upon looking at our runway limitation manual, we find no data for victor departure. (Taking off on runway 15, at our weight we would be legal for takeoff from golf, about 4000-5000 ft down.) we called engineering, they told us that the victor information was an oversight and will be added as soon as possible. They said the difference is so slight, and safety is not even a consideration at any time, even under most extreme takeoff penalties.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG MADE AN INTXN TKOF AT YYZ. LATER REALIZED THEY HAD NO TKOF DATA FOR THAT INTXN AT YYZ.
Narrative: ON THE PREVIOUS DAY, CHK AIRMAN AND MYSELF DISCOVERED CANADIAN OPS AND OP IN CANADIAN AIRSPACE. ON DEP THE NEXT MORNING, GND CTL CLRED US TO RWY 33 VIA R4 TO VICTOR TAXIWAY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ACFT AHEAD OF US DEPARTING FROM WHERE VICTOR MEETS RWY 33 WHICH IS EXTREMELY NEAR THE END OF RWY 33. LOOKING AT OUR CHARTS WE SEE RWY 33 IS 11050 FT LONG SO SAFETY WAS NEVER A CONSIDERATION. WHEN CLRED FOR TKOF, I TURNED LONG SO SAFETY WAS NEVER A CONSIDERATION. WHEN CLRED FOR TKOF, I TURNED THE ACFT VERY WIDE FROM VICTOR TOWARDS THE APCH END OF RWY 33 TO TAKE MAX ADVANTAGE OF RWY LENGTH. THE TKOF WAS UNEVENTFUL. THE ACFT WAS VERY LIGHT, ABOUT 107000 POUNDS, THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. UPON LOOKING AT OUR RWY LIMITATION MANUAL, WE FIND NO DATA FOR VICTOR DEP. (TAKING OFF ON RWY 15, AT OUR WT WE WOULD BE LEGAL FOR TKOF FROM GOLF, ABOUT 4000-5000 FT DOWN.) WE CALLED ENGINEERING, THEY TOLD US THAT THE VICTOR INFO WAS AN OVERSIGHT AND WILL BE ADDED ASAP. THEY SAID THE DIFFERENCE IS SO SLIGHT, AND SAFETY IS NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION AT ANY TIME, EVEN UNDER MOST EXTREME TKOF PENALTIES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.