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Attributes | |
ACN | 186745 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 5300 |
ASRS Report | 186745 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were on final approach to runway 26R and had been cleared for an ILS approach to 26R. At approximately 3500 ft on GS on localizer, the controller advised us to initiate a right turn to heading 360 degree. Since the autoplt was engaged, I had to select heading sel on the dfgc panel and set 360 degree in the heading sel window. The bank angle selector was set at 15 degree maximum bank which is the normal procedure on final for our aircraft and the aircraft initiated a slow turn to 360 degree. We then requested an altitude from the controller since he had not issued one to us initially and then set 25 degree bank angle in the maximum bank angle selector. While we were being vectored back into the traffic pattern, the approach controller questioned us about the length of time it took us to make the turn to 360 degree. We explained to him what we had to do in the cockpit to initiate the turn. He seemed unaware and apparently thought we could make an immediate 90 degree turn. Although he said that our actions did not present any problem, I thought that his expectations were a little unrealistic. In the interest of safety, I feel the controllers should be made more aware of what actually goes on in the cockpits of the new electric jets.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC ATC REVIEW ENSUES AFTER TRACON APCH CTLR QUERIES ACR PIC AS TO WHY THE ACFT MADE A SLOW TURN AFTER GIVEN AN AMENDED CLRNC RTE CHANGE ON FINAL APCH.
Narrative: WE WERE ON FINAL APCH TO RWY 26R AND HAD BEEN CLRED FOR AN ILS APCH TO 26R. AT APPROX 3500 FT ON GS ON LOC, THE CTLR ADVISED US TO INITIATE A R TURN TO HDG 360 DEG. SINCE THE AUTOPLT WAS ENGAGED, I HAD TO SELECT HDG SEL ON THE DFGC PANEL AND SET 360 DEG IN THE HDG SEL WINDOW. THE BANK ANGLE SELECTOR WAS SET AT 15 DEG MAX BANK WHICH IS THE NORMAL PROC ON FINAL FOR OUR ACFT AND THE ACFT INITIATED A SLOW TURN TO 360 DEG. WE THEN REQUESTED AN ALT FROM THE CTLR SINCE HE HAD NOT ISSUED ONE TO US INITIALLY AND THEN SET 25 DEG BANK ANGLE IN THE MAX BANK ANGLE SELECTOR. WHILE WE WERE BEING VECTORED BACK INTO THE TFC PATTERN, THE APCH CTLR QUESTIONED US ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TOOK US TO MAKE THE TURN TO 360 DEG. WE EXPLAINED TO HIM WHAT WE HAD TO DO IN THE COCKPIT TO INITIATE THE TURN. HE SEEMED UNAWARE AND APPARENTLY THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE AN IMMEDIATE 90 DEG TURN. ALTHOUGH HE SAID THAT OUR ACTIONS DID NOT PRESENT ANY PROBLEM, I THOUGHT THAT HIS EXPECTATIONS WERE A LITTLE UNREALISTIC. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, I FEEL THE CTLRS SHOULD BE MADE MORE AWARE OF WHAT ACTUALLY GOES ON IN THE COCKPITS OF THE NEW ELECTRIC JETS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.