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Attributes | |
ACN | 187367 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fwa |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3400 |
ASRS Report | 187367 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
En route from dfw to det at FL410. We were going direct to fwa VOR to join V11 to the cruxx intersection. We requested to deviate east of course to avoid some buildups that were in the fort wayne area. Approximately 70 NM south of fwa chicago center told us to descend to FL240 abeam fwa VOR. We replied that we would like to remain at FL410 a little longer to visually avoid the buildups and could give him a good rate down in the descent. He approved this and told us to notify him when we left FL410. I told the first officer, who was flying, to reduce the power and slow the aircraft, so we could make a quick descent. After starting our descent we were told to maintain FL370 instead of FL240. I replied that that was no problem. We still wanted to give ATC a good rate to FL370 and pushed the plane over to achieve a high rate of descent. Upon reaching FL370 I took control from the first officer for the level off which required considerable force. A few moments later an airlines flight called center and said that according to their TCASII system it indicated we were within 400 ft of them, however they didn't take any evasive action. ATC asked our altitude, we replied FL370 and said that was where we leveled off. ATC then gave us a telephone number to call. Upon returning I informed maintenance who found the transponder faulty and the encoding altimeter. I can only guess that the great rate of descent and abrupt level off may have resulted in inaccurate information to be indicated by ATC and air carrier. In the future more reasonable rates of descent will be used to avoid this problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR TAXI CARGO ACFT TOLD HAD CLOSE PROX WITH ACR AT LEVEL OFF AFTER RAPID DSCNT. TCASII.
Narrative: ENRTE FROM DFW TO DET AT FL410. WE WERE GOING DIRECT TO FWA VOR TO JOIN V11 TO THE CRUXX INTXN. WE REQUESTED TO DEVIATE E OF COURSE TO AVOID SOME BUILDUPS THAT WERE IN THE FORT WAYNE AREA. APPROX 70 NM S OF FWA CHICAGO CENTER TOLD US TO DSND TO FL240 ABEAM FWA VOR. WE REPLIED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN AT FL410 A LITTLE LONGER TO VISUALLY AVOID THE BUILDUPS AND COULD GIVE HIM A GOOD RATE DOWN IN THE DSCNT. HE APPROVED THIS AND TOLD US TO NOTIFY HIM WHEN WE LEFT FL410. I TOLD THE FO, WHO WAS FLYING, TO REDUCE THE PWR AND SLOW THE ACFT, SO WE COULD MAKE A QUICK DSCNT. AFTER STARTING OUR DSCNT WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN FL370 INSTEAD OF FL240. I REPLIED THAT THAT WAS NO PROBLEM. WE STILL WANTED TO GIVE ATC A GOOD RATE TO FL370 AND PUSHED THE PLANE OVER TO ACHIEVE A HIGH RATE OF DSCNT. UPON REACHING FL370 I TOOK CTL FROM THE FO FOR THE LEVEL OFF WHICH REQUIRED CONSIDERABLE FORCE. A FEW MOMENTS LATER AN AIRLINES FLT CALLED CENTER AND SAID THAT ACCORDING TO THEIR TCASII SYS IT INDICATED WE WERE WITHIN 400 FT OF THEM, HOWEVER THEY DIDN'T TAKE ANY EVASIVE ACTION. ATC ASKED OUR ALT, WE REPLIED FL370 AND SAID THAT WAS WHERE WE LEVELED OFF. ATC THEN GAVE US A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO CALL. UPON RETURNING I INFORMED MAINT WHO FOUND THE TRANSPONDER FAULTY AND THE ENCODING ALTIMETER. I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT THE GREAT RATE OF DSCNT AND ABRUPT LEVEL OFF MAY HAVE RESULTED IN INACCURATE INFO TO BE INDICATED BY ATC AND ACR. IN THE FUTURE MORE REASONABLE RATES OF DSCNT WILL BE USED TO AVOID THIS PROBLEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.