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Attributes | |
ACN | 187678 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 32000 msl bound upper : 32000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc tower : dsm |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 187678 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Asked ATC to deviate around thunderstorm over stl. ATC approved 10 degree left turn. After 5 calls to center requesting additional left turn with no reply I instructed the first officer to go around the WX. The controller saw our deviation and said that a turn back right was required for traffic. He then instructed another aircraft a right turn for traffic (us) with the comment 'be glad he didn't run into you'. Our aircraft was TCASII equipped and we had the other traffic on TCASII. At no time were we closer than 10 DME and it all could have been avoided if the controller would have answered 1 of our 5 calls. His comment was uncalled for.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING WX AVOIDANCE, MLG TURNED FURTHER THAN CLRED.
Narrative: ASKED ATC TO DEVIATE AROUND TSTM OVER STL. ATC APPROVED 10 DEG L TURN. AFTER 5 CALLS TO CENTER REQUESTING ADDITIONAL L TURN WITH NO REPLY I INSTRUCTED THE FO TO GAR THE WX. THE CTLR SAW OUR DEV AND SAID THAT A TURN BACK R WAS REQUIRED FOR TFC. HE THEN INSTRUCTED ANOTHER ACFT A R TURN FOR TFC (US) WITH THE COMMENT 'BE GLAD HE DIDN'T RUN INTO YOU'. OUR ACFT WAS TCASII EQUIPPED AND WE HAD THE OTHER TFC ON TCASII. AT NO TIME WERE WE CLOSER THAN 10 DME AND IT ALL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE CTLR WOULD HAVE ANSWERED 1 OF OUR 5 CALLS. HIS COMMENT WAS UNCALLED FOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.